An idea to slightly nerf ebony moris
One of the more annoying things as survivor is to be hooked, camped (proxy or faced), tunneled and then morid. So here's an idea: the survivor can only be moried after the first hook IF the killer is at least 32 meters away from the hook when the survivor is saved. After the second hook though the survivor can be morid on their next down (whether the killer was camping or not since you are going to die anyway.)
Now you might be thinking this will just encourage survivors to rush hooks but if so that just works in favor of the killer since you'll have survivors swarming to you every time you hook someone so the ebony mori will still give you an advantage.
What do you think?
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No. Moris have been nerfed enough and your idea would make them pointless/not worth the cost.
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i feel like if theyre gonna be nerfed at all, which i dont really think they should, but it would be you can only mori a survivor on death hook. but at the same time that would just make the killer tunnel that person to get their mori, which is something also not fun for survivors. so i think they're fine as they are.
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Like BNPs (still "ultra rare" btw lol)
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Basically an insta 5 tokens Devour Hope? Why not, however before nerfing moris, there has to be some kind of fix towards gen speed.
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Bnp are still very strong statistically speaking
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Not rly. At best they lower the value of ruin for a time and if u have a coordinated team you can all instantly pop a gen if you all have BNPs. But that doesn't mean they are strong.
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Why?
If you are bringing red mori you dont even need perks or addons.
Because when killer brings red mori it means gg.
Unless they suck horendously.
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I mean...25 percent for free with the only requirement being skill checks with 15 already garunteed plus it doesnt damage or use up the tool box like insta heals do to med kits, which means you still get to use the whole toolbox..that's pretty nutty considering gens are already considered too fast
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More like the Survivors in that trial sucked, you need a good old git gud. The big bad Killer guy still has to catch and hook you first. With the current game mechanics, Survivors have all the tools to prevent that long enough to get out before the Killer gets to use their Mori.
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Maybe if they are being super optimal, but really how many times it happens nobody is hooked?
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No.
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It's not about how much it actually happens, it has the potential to happen nearly every single trial if all Survivors would unanimously decide to only focus on Generators and gtfo as quickly as possible.
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Potential you say but did that even ever happen?
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Absolutely, just have a look at the Depip Squad experiments. An Ebony Mori never meant an easy 4k.
All Survivors could play like them and the game would become a nightmare for Killers. It requires neither Perks nor Items or Add-ons to just focus all you got on repairing gens and getting out as quickly as possible.
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Wow, 7000 bloodpoints is such a massive amount to pay for the ability to kill every survivor after they get hooked, it really makes the grind worse.
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You missed the point entirely. Good job.
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What was your point then? The only time in the game when moris were nerfed was in patch 1.5.3 when the requirements to hook a survivor to perform a mori were introduced
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My point was that nerfing them to the point that you are left with the choice of putting a Survivor on their death hook or to Mori them (which OP suggests doing with nerfing them to require two hooks), would make them not worth the cost and cost doesn't just mean the Bloodpoints you spend on them, but everything else you need to do to get any use out of them.
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Well, i dont agree with OPs idea, but i think ebony mori needs a nerf, i dont know, make it so that it activates after you have hooked all 4 survivors or something like that.
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Too much cost, too little gain. It's the same problem as with OP's idea.
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What is it with this nerf Mori epidemic? I swear people in this community just need something to cry about it's insane they got devs to nerf Nurse now they need something new to cry about. From my purple/red rank survivor experience out of 20 matches there is 1 killer that brings a Mori which makes it a pretty rare occurrence I don't see a need to nerf it.
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This is a hard pass from me, chief.
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People have been complaining about moris for ages.
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Moris are annoying in certain situations but this would make it overly situational.
My idea has always been make moris only be usable after all 4 survivors have been hooked once. This keeps them powerful, but removes the ablity to use them just to tunnel one person out of the game instantly.
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That is your opinion.
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So Basically if your buddy rushes in and BT saves you, before i get away..I get no Mori?
No thanks pass.
Worst idea in 2019.
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Frankly Moris just need to be removed altogether. There's no reasonable excuse to have something like that so easy to use
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I disagree and so do others. We're at an opinion impasse.
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I disagree. I think Ebonies have their place in this game.
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facts
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ebony moris are bs and OP and dont deserve to be in the game just like insta heals should also get nerfed
im so glad they nerfed the old bnp
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idk why nobody likes this, i mean , yeah if they insta-save you dont get the mori but you get 1 or 2 ez hooks, at least this prevents the camping and tunneling with moris situation , seriusly the way ppl defend the equivalent the old(not oldest) bnp equivalent shows a lot of hypocrisy on the killer side
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Not until insta heals get the Brand New Part treatment.
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Ebony moris and some of the super strong survivor items definitely need to be looked at.
As a killer you can't know if the team is bringing insta-heals, and as a Survivor you can't know the killer is bringing a mori until the offering screen.
I don't think the devs will remove Ebony moris (although I think they really should - winning a game stacked in your favor isn't satisfying or balanced), but maybe they could allow killers and Survivors both to see the insta-heals/moris before the game starts. If one side wants to bring the super strong OP stuff, the other side can too.
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Nurse is getting an add-on rework to remove her bullshit. That's hardly a nerf
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No. Killers don't need any more nerfs thank you.
Just Git Gud basically.
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Honestly, all mori offerings should lock your rank so you can't de-pip.
The Cypress Mori should be base tho.
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As it is i DC off a 100% of the game killer has a mori. I main killer and i dont use them for a reason and when i do use them, i use them on third hook so that the survivor would have been dead on hook anyways. This is honestly the way it always should have been. Having a mori work after first hook is just plain stupid
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i do believe they will change when they introduce more objectives for survivors to do.
lets just assume its gonna be "find part X to repair the gen", maybe a BNP could allow you to repair the gen no matter what.
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What is plain stupid is committing a bannable offfence (disconnecting) because you don't like a specific Offering.
People who DC have no right to play the moral compass.
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I don't DC myself, but I do not blame people who DC in the slightest when a mori is used.
To you it is a part of the game. That's fine. To others it is a badly designed mechanic which ruins any semblance of a fair game.
Yellow mori? Cool. Make it base kit.
Green mori? Super powerful.
Ebony mori? Free win if you know how to play.
I only use moris myself when I see a player I know is toxic in my game and I want to return their toxicity. I feel bad, though, because it ruins the game for the other survivors.
But I wouldn't expect people who defend nurse to understand what fair play is.
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I only defend base-kit Nurse, I agree that her Add-ons make her too strong, but base Nurse is balanced as far as I'm concerned. Maybe it has to do with me actually learning how to git gud against her.
I know, a foreign concept to many here.
Back to topic, disconnects are NOT fine ever. It's a bannable offence. Period.
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They shouldn't even exist in the first place, but I have a big feeling the devs are gonna make a good choice and make them become 'Retired Offerings' sometime next year. Hopefully
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Just got to make it so you can only mori people on last hook simple
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It low key is an High honor to get ebony mori killed, you had to die sooner based on your possible Rank. Its the Killers Respect to offer that and sacrifice points.
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I would suggest making the current ebony mori like the old ivory. 1 kill, but at any time with no hooking required.
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No cuz it's cuz of y'all that the killers are getting weaker and weaker, and the survs are getting stronger cuz they barely get nerfed so NO cuz we work our asses off to get the moris and u just gotta suck it up cuz it's on u when u get caught, yes it sucks when killers are gonna be toxic and camp y'all but not all of us do that so no stop asking stuff to be nerfed cuz you can't live
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See it's cuz of people like u the killers keep getting nerfed cuz u think u should be able to win every game suck it up and play the game. Git gud u Jack waggon I don't wanna be a dick head but it just ticks me that the survs think they should win every game
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Now this idea I honestly don't mind we still get to keep atleast the Ivory and the cypressed Mori
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Moris are fine as they are. It's hard to pull them off if you're in a high ranked game anyway, so it's really a non-issue.
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