Everything we complain about has counter play.
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Moris aren't BS, it's the people who use them. Inherently, they aren't a bad thing, I just don't like going against people who just 1 hook then mori.
When I use moris I use it instead of a last hook. They were already dead anyway...
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The counterplay to fear of death is dying, so if you ever feel threatened by the Killer, just give up. ๐
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use your head. that person was literally just on the hook.
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Ooooorrr just play how you want? Seriously.
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I never said you couldnโt?
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And that is an admirable way of playing. Giving a player a cool way of going out. Thatโs great that you play that way. I wish other players would.
A LOT of players hook somebody and then go right back to the hook tunnel the injured guy and mori them. Yeah you won but did you really earn it? Did anybody else have fun? Iโm pretty sure that Feng that got grabbed by Prayer Beads in the beginning and downed as soon as she got off the hook isnโt happy with her 1000 bloodpoints.
If moris couldnโt be used until death hook, it would create a little less tunneling and more all round fun for everyone involved.
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I know. It's a nice change than just hooking again. It also puts those who use BBQ at a disadvantage since they won't get the BBQ proc.
The only reason I'd disagree with you about limiting to two hooks is because of SWFs. If I know I'm going against that kind of toxic group (OoO + Instaheals, key, and Instaflashlight), I will not hesitate to break my biggest rule against them.
Hey, if they buffed Remember me to six stacks, then that would also make it an anti-tunneling perk as well. I have no idea why they changed it to four, since that encourages tunneling the obsession.
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Should've been more specific. Sorry mah buddy. But you propose counters and I noticed quite a few people shooting you down.
In essence, I'm saying play however you want and make the most out of matches.
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My bad man. :)
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Of course a person with a Spirit image says this because every spirit player "knows how to counter her".
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I donโt play spirit but still say sheโs has counter play.
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What does having a Spirit image have to do with anything? Why judge based off the image of a person?
Shesh. I counter Spirits all the time (I'll still die to them sometimes, but I've been outplayed more times then not in those cases, or because I have the biggest forehead made of a potato). There are often times they lose me even when I don't run IW or whatever.
I know the difference between them not having good headphones or not, before you ask.
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Survivors can counter her with the following:
Looking at her hair when she starts phasing (only works efficiently on default and bloody head piece)
Walking (yet she can still hear you piss easy)
Running from the loop (but if she was standing still she can just phase to you and still get a hit)
Hoping that her collision in phase (which in my personal opinion should definitely not be a thing) doesn't collide with you.
These "counterplays" can be countered very easily by the Spirit player and it doesn't take that much effort from the killer to do it.
Spirit is the biggest problem in this game (even more than Insta heals, mori's, keys, Adrenaline and NOED)
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That's another thing I forgot.
All Spirit needs is basic tracking knowledge and a good set of headphones
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Those arenโt the only counters.
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But then again it's the same with all killers. Good headphones and not even Claudette's can hide from me if they are injured out not.
Also Spirit is currently suffering from a bug, at least on PS4 at the moment where she glitters like a Twillight Vampire when using her power.
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Oh yeah, I also forgot "RuN IroN WiLL AnD SpiNe ChIlL, IN ThE HoPEs Of FacINg One oUt of SixteeN Killers"
And then after you run said perks:
"SPIRIT SHOULDN'T BE AFFECTED BY THESE PERKS!! IT'S UNFAIR!!!"
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I've faced several Spirit's today and that had never happened once. PS4 btw
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I absolutely will not hesitate to play Spirit with double purple add-ons and an Ebony mori if I run into the same annoying SWF group over and over again. Honestly they donโt annoy me too much. If I see multiple flashlights Iโll swap Discordance for Lightborn, I will NEVER get blinded and itโs funny to see them try over and over again to blind me through pallets and save their friend. Itโs comical.
I like moris because they are very cool kill animations but it ruins the enjoyment of every player except the killer when they can get killed within two minutes.
I feel dirty ever using a mori except when it is a SWF group who want to try a bully the killer.
As you stated...itโs mainly the players using the mori that people have issues with.
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You didnโt read the post.
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That feng shouldnt have got on a gen immediately without surveying the game and who her opponent was first.
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Youโre extremely biased when it comes to Spirit.
If weโre talking about profile pictures I could judge you by saying you were probably a MOM user when it was THE biggest problem in the game since you have Ash as a profile picture. Your profile picture means nothing.
If you think Spirit is a bigger problem than glitches, bugs, insta heals, moris, etc...then something is wrong with your logic
She is hard to counter...yes, but itโs not an instant death every single time. I have escaped Spirit multiple times. Itโs not impossible.
She can hear footsteps...and? I can track people with Bubba. If you have good headphones youโll be able to track anyone.
Just DC every time you go against a Spirit 4Head and youโll have nothing to complain about.
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Huh. I can see her glittering.
Must be another useful glitch my PS4 can achieve.
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I have played against three Spirits today and none of them glittered. Iโm also on PS4.
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Yeah... don't have that perk unlocked yet. Playing more billy to do so though. : )
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@MegMain98 Then it either got patched, or my PS4 is glitched in some way.
Must test this.
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Just bring a mori. It's SWFs weakness.
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It's not like the new DS has been buffed twice already >_>;
I'm sure you know what I mean by Double/Triple stuns.
I'm also sure you know how much time that wastes at any phase of the game.
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You sir just explained salty survivor mains in one post. Congrats!
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There are salty people on both sides :)
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And that sums up the whole dbd community. Literally neither side can win because it's in a endless state of fighting what should be buffed or removed. I get pissed when I see people cri like babies to perks part of the meta. Sometimes it's against a perk that's not even good to begin with.
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I'm biased when it comes to Spirit because I don't mind facing any killer apart from her.
I'd rather Old Legion with Cold Dirt and Frank's mix tape than just a base Spirit
Also, of course I used MoM, not an Ash main and I already knew it was gonna get nerfed but I used it because it was part of the game.
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Hair ? I thought her glasses start shining when she's phasing, I didn't hear anything about her hair doing something when she's phasing.
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Yeah you got it mixed up, her glass doesn't shine, not at all. If the Spirit has the default, frosty eyes or bloody head piece, her hair physics reset when she begins to phase. Easily countered by wearing any other head piece though.
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I saw a video with her glasses starting to shine after she starts phasing. I never saw that anything related to her hair.
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Probably an old video, I've just tested it in KYF now, her glass doesn't shine and her hair does go up (on the head pieces I mentioned)
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Iโve also noticed when you wear frosty eyes the eyes turn normal while phasing.
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Your a loony if you believe this drivel
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I have my SLIGHT bias as well. I hate Billy and Legion. Theyโre just annoying. Ghostface can also be annoying to face. Itโs not like Iโm screaming for nerfs just because I donโt like going against them.
So youโd rather get tunneled and stabbed over and over again by a Legion that face a Spirit? Whatever floats your boat but thatโs one extreme to another.
Of course people are gonna use Spirit because she is part of the game. Itโs not like she is gonna be removed. There is nothing more that I can say other than suck it up the few times you face Spirit or just DC. I rarely go against Spirit players. Most I go against lack the ability to track so I never really go down. Some rarely even phase and she turns into โwoman with katanaโ.
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I guarantee you no more than 2 people run DS now because of how bad of a perk it is, considering how killers love to run out the timer
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Yeah "most" you go against. I face so many spirits that are skilled and it just becomes boring and unfun
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Looping an exploit?
Well looks like I'm not talking to you anymore ๐
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Looping wasn't actually intended, and it's exploiting the fact survivor hitboxes are much more smaller then killers.
Orion could tell you more about that then I could.
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The idea of leaving someone on a hook for ALMOST 2 minutes to combat a mori, while the killer used a shroud offering...is funny.
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Of course, in theory everything has a counter. The really question you have to ask is "is this healthy gameplay"? If the answer is no then it's probably something that needs to be addressed.
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Indeed, looping was not intended and was, at one point, called an exploit by the developers themselves. However, due to survivor outcry, it became a "legit strategy".
The issue comes primarily from the different accelerations relative to the max speed. Basically, killers take longer to get back to full speed when turning, whereas survivors can turn on a dime and barely lose any speed at all.
The devs could fix this by making both killers and survivors hit their top speed simultaneously (it's a simple equation, literally just have their accelerations be proportional to their top speeds), but I don't think they perceive it to be an issue.
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Ok then, guess survivors will be useless and unable to defend themselves, what makes you think that pallet and window loop opportunities are still in the game after 3 years?
Because obviously the devs didn't think of looping at first that's why there was so many infinites in 2016. They've seen people adapt and do things in their game so now they're balancing it.
You must be joking if you think the devs will remove looping, it's one of the core parts of the game. Stop getting butthurt that you're being looped.
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Well um yeah, looping wasn't intended in 2016, since then the devs have seen that looping has now become a core part of the game and they're trying to balance that, look at badham preschool for example.
Stop complaining and git gud
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This also works with other killers. There are many situations where it is more profitable to abandon the chase, in favor of finding another survivor in a more accessible place or in order to prevent others from repairing the gens.
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Intended? No. Adopted into gameplay? Yep.
Theyve accepted and worked around it. It's part of the game.
Exploiting a smaller hitbox? You mean using an advantage?
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