Does SWF Actually need a Nerf?

I agree with this, I come from a long line of competitive communities in gaming but DBD killers don't seem to get it. Against 4 really good players on com, it's supposed to be hard. 4K is not how an average game should go. 2K is fine, hell if you hook a ton and give a ton of pressure you can get a black pip if you kill one person.

Now don't get me wrong, there are only a handful of viable killers at red rank and swf survivors do have things tipped in their favor. But it's not nearly as bad as most killers think. Haddonfield should get reworked and a few more killers should get something to bump them up but the game is by no means a stomp in survivors favor.

If anything, solo queue should be brought up to SWF level tbh then if devs wanna hand out nerfs they can but I don't think the game is in bad shape with regards to balance.

I just read the title, swf is fine imo.

Killer is supposed to be the power role. It's how asymmetrical games work. There is a power role and a numbers role. Also, a 2K at red ranks is going to be a de-pip 99% of the time.

Is it so bad to ask to get at least a safety? If you are at rank one and they truly want an even balance, balance around getting safety pip. If you don't want that, then you're bias is clear.

The most recent official data shows a 60% survival rate for rank 2 survivors. But that's not the point. I say killers would need buffs to compensate for solo survivors getting buffs. Since Solo would ideally be as strong as SWF, killers would need to be balanced around that strength.

You don't play much clearly

Your comparison of COD, R6 and RE4 to DBD makes absolutely no sense.

For one, none of those are Asymmetric Horror Games, so trying to compare similar aspects of different genres doesn't make sense. COD and R6 are both FPS games with an equal amount of players on each team, so again, bad comparison.

Your entire 4th argument is pretty poor. You focus on how getting a 4k ruins the fun for the killer, and increases queue times (which makes absolutely no sense), but ignore the fact that killers constantly going against well organized SWF and having them consistently escape ruins the fun for killers. You say 4K's aren't a selling point, both I don't believe "easy escapes with little to no effort" is much of a selling point either. Also, there are plenty of games in which 3-4 survivors escape, which usually means the killers lose, and the killers still continue playing. Why can't survivors do the same?

This entire argument is basically "if playing survivor is hard, then the game sucks." With no real insight as to how the game is on the killers side.

As for my opinion, yes SWF does need a slight nerf, nothing drastic. The fact that they're able to give away killer position, trap locations, totem locations, communicate about gens/progress gives them a better advantage since killers have to rely on their powers and sound queues to simply find survivors. But the devs also need to buff solo player slightly as well. It's not fair that the SWF players have more information simply because they're using comms, which leaves the solo players to just hope everyone does the right thing.

Most killers are map reliant to an extent, for instance, as LF you’re going to have a much harder time on Lery’s, Billy can’t chainsaw patrol as easily on The Game or Lery’s, Stealth killers need maps with LOS blockers, Nurse is going to have a harder time on Lery’s and the Corn maps to an extent, most M1 killers struggle on Haddonfield and The Game.

I’d say Trapper, Hag and Spirit are the only non-map reliant killers.

I actually forgot to list Freddy, she is definitely the most hurt but I think she is still viable.

Depends on how good the player is, I suppose if you can hit all of your hatchets and end chases before they get to loops it isn't a problem. It's very difficult to do that, but, I guess it is possible.

Precisely this, as long as the people discussing are respectful a discussion can stay civil.

Swf AND Cwf have NO mechanical differences to solo players. All advantages come from external knowledge the game simply isnt designed for you to have.

Grouping up removes uncertainity about skill level, experience and intentions of other players.

Cwf grants real time information exchange. On a a basis of asking and receiving.

In this case giving solo survivors aura reading or hud info is even stronger in some situations; you dont need to first inquire or ask about mechanically given info.

You cant nerf swf without putting in annoying artifical restrictions. That'd be like spirit's and legions stupid gauge mechanics suddenly being implemented for every other killer.

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2 escape and 2 escape is not a win for the killer. He did only half his goal.

Half the solosurvivors failed at their goal. Half did succeed. For each individual survivor theres nothing wrong.

Putting swf or its' team mentality into theat scenario, its a failure, the team only did 50%.

2/2 is a draw or a loss.

Then don't play an asymmetrical game. One role has numbers, which gives them an early advantage. One, has power, which let's them snowball later in the game. That's is the most simple and basic definition.

Hag does not need a buff whatsoever. She's 4th best killer IMO. Freddy is fine as of now and Huntress is very map dependant true, perhaps they could make greater LoS areas in more maps but still, she's 5th/6th best and pretty solid.