So... bullying Spirit mains is a thing now?

I very much play who i want too. I don't feel bad what perks i use, add ons i use, i haven't ever been insulted before for using a killer, so that sort of boggles me why some would do that. Sure people have bad mouthd at me both killer and survs for what perks and add ons i use. I couldn't give a rats ass what people think. Use who you want, don't feel guilty about it, you are there as a killer to kill. Best thing anyway is just turn off chat and only person i watch stream wise is hybrid panda, he is funny and down to earth and cool.

I love spine chill not just because it go against spirit... it helps with every killer in every game it just hits harder when going against every other killer that's not spirit or nurse...

Nope we were discussing skill and how its important in playing those certain characters..... would you agree that skilled huntress would be scarier to go against then a average spirit?

Depends on the map, like, in certain maps, even skilled Huntress are f*cked.

Her biggest weakness is a blendette. That style of play is the opposite of what a Spirit wants. Luckily everyone prefers to loops.

Then why are there so many players making the statement that spirit requires no skill and just a good pair headphones? If skill weren't needed and survivors truly had no chance to make a play and escape I'd be in the same line as many others.... I supported and still to this day support what the devs did to legion-----> what old legion was is the definition of "no counter play" .... you were down no matter what you did, got git even if you performed the sexiest 360, juke of your DBD career... I dont see how spirit even relates to that sort of play..... she gives me thrills/chills when going against her and I actually have fun even if I get stomped while playing her...

Survivors dont need perks to succeed in this game...

My bad I was speaking specifically it's good against her since her ability lies in chase potential. Best thing I have can say would be path switching. You have 5 seconds to attempt to confuse them. If you can confuse them they could end up far enough to screw them. It's not something you just auto learn tho.

Many players state she has no counterplay....imho I feel they use "no counterplay" to grab attention... when they state this I look back at old legion because that was actually a killer who had no counterplay....

Well, like I said, she has some counter play but not much and some of it isn’t very consistent like trying to confuse her.

I never said they did?

Iron will isnt a necessity against spirit either... I have success against spirit and i dont even have IW unlocked yet...

I’ve mained spirit a lot but a lot of things just don’t work on other spirits in my experience.

Well...

I wont let any spirit destroy me lol.... they may catch eventually but it's not until after I give them a frustrating chase to deal with

You've never even seen play xD ..... anyways I'm making a thread so ttyl.

I think Spirit is a unique and interesting design that deserves her place in DbD, and despite its "issues", should not receive a Legion-like treatment that half-way neuters her ability. There are however two fundamental flaws with Spirit: she is a killer designed to be about guessing and prediction games, mindgames, yet in-Phase collision and add-ons take away from this gameplay. In-Phase collision regularly means that Spirit does not have to guess or predict a survivor's movements, but can - intentionally as well as accidentally - feel for the survivor, little to no thought required; add-ons modify the specifics and timings of her phasing mechanics, changing activation time, movement speed, duration, recovery - these variables are crucial for a survivor to effectively be able to guess, predict and play mindgames against Spirit though, and since these variables always change with the use of add-ons, there isn't a basis for becoming familiar enough with them to yield consistent counter-gameplay (and some of those add-ons, especially when stacked, are simply overtuned anyway).

In-Phase collision simply has to be removed, it's a glaring design flaw. The add-ons that tweak those aforementioned variables should be toned down to keep Spirit within a range that is accessible to experience, so that the difference between base Spirit and add-on Spirit is within a realm of predictability. Maybe simply making it so that they don't stack would be enough.

In turn, I think the passive phasing mechanic should be made more of an actual, proactive chase tool, allowing the killer player to be able to tell when Spirit is passively phasing, so that they may actively use it to their advantage.

There are also Prayer Beads and Father's Glasses which are both pretty ridiculous add-ons, but it's not like there aren't a variety of other ridiculous add-ons in the game, on both sides. This would be something for a larger game "philosophy" overhaul, I guess, where things such as Iridescent Head and Syringes, Ebonies and Keys (basically "F*** You!" things) are reconsidered on, to an extent or another.

The "tracking" issue with Spirit on the other hand is not a fundamental design flaw, I think. Scratchmarks make for interactive gameplay, since a survivor can control them. Audio tracking is not precise enough to remove counterplay, and also has means of control (walking instead of running to prevent footsteps and panting). Only injured noises are a problem, making chase interactions on tile play turn into 50/50s a lot of the time, since the noises can give away if the survivor does anything but to commit to one side of a pallet or window hoping it's the one Spirit does not end up on. Iron Will exists, and while it is a viable choice against any killer and therefore not a "wasted slot" by any stretch, I would argue killers that actually manage to diversify meta perk choices are something positive for the game. Balanced Landing is a great perk survivors would have no reason to ever not bring - but since it is not very effective against Nurse and Spirit, it is not a clear-cut decision, making it so that Dead Hard and even Lithe are often considered instead of BL (or alongside BL, but that's already two perk slots spent). Same can be argued for Spine Chill, Dance With Me, Quick & Quiet, Poised, Fixated, and other perks. I enjoy stealth-juke gameplay (losing the killer mid-chase), and so I welcome that Nurse and Spirit encourage as much, even introducing it into the meta, leading to more people building and practicing for that skill.

There is one thing that should be changed however: Stridor should not be basically a hard-counter to Iron Will. Maybe it should only make Iron Will-having survivors' cries of pain play at 25% volume, or like No Mither, result in a reduced frequency of the cries.

Also: Spirit currently has what is to be considered a bug, where there are visual cues on her model that give away whether she is phasing or not. That obviously needs to be fixed.

Y'all are babies.

Nurse has counterplay. Nurse takes some level of skill and awareness to 4k. The issue isn't Nurse, it's her addons.

Spirit is a coinflip at unsafe pallets. And you need 2 heads to win a chase.

I said that spirit does not need skill not nurse but nurse with more than 2 blinks does not require skill