Let's try the camping punishment again

What he said ^^^

There’s already a severe punishment for camping, 1 dies and 3 escape free. Camping results in an auto-loss.

Besides, there’s plenty of ways to counter camping. Just have your whole team run BT and DS, If thr killer chooses to camp, all 4 can still get out if you take turns on hook.

There's not really any way to detect legitimate "mindless" camping any better than the emblem penalty already does. Obviously just standing in front of someone with 5 gens up is pointless, a bad play and 90% of the time either a new player or someone fishing for reactions, but once you throw in stuff like survivors being nearby, what part of the match it happens in and more it becomes too complicated for a simple algorithm to deal with it in a way that can't be abused and worked around by EITHER side.

Educate survivors on the fact they should just do gens if someone gets camped, educate killers on how hard camping at the wrong time can be heavily punished as well, and incentivize aggressive actions towards other survivors with BP modifiers, emblem points or whatever else. It's not a thing that can just be forced away with automated systems.

@justarandy except they added the EGC, preventing survivors from holding the game hostage once the hatch is closed.

I agree camping is boring, but it's a strategy nonetheless. Hiding forever wasn't.

This isn't entirely true. It is how fast the first survivor goes down that decides how many survivors die. Sometimes it's a good survivor and 3 escape and other times the survivor is bad and gets caught fast without any gens being done which can result in the death of other survivors due to lack of time to complete generators.

Also, in any "normal" game, something like this wouldn't be nerfed because by camping the killer is basically throwing the match.

Punish campers by gen rushing their sorry asses.

But many people don't know that, or realise to late that a killer is campig. If the killer has Ruin and NOED, it'll be so much harder as well.

We need to think about less experienced players as well, and how to maybe get more people playing survivors again, since killer queue times are much longer than that of survivors, and nerfing camping is probably the best way to do this, since it doesn't nerf skilled killers.

I think it should be:

1. If the killer is within 31 meters of a hooked survivor the killers aura should be revealed to all survivors (so Make Your Choice 32 meters is still a viable option)

2 If a killer is within 16 meters of a hooked survivor and the survivor dies struggling the survivor is re-spawn or the hatch could open

spoken like a substitute teacher who doesn't understand the material.

if you're watching me get camped and you're trying to focus on gens and rush out at my expense, all i can say is LUL..

hope you get better at the game at some point, but the only thing i can guarantee is that i'm not gonna stick around to find out if that point happens to be the current match..

And that perspective there is the biggest problem for survivors. This is a team game on survivor side. Why do you think they are trying bring solos up to swf knowledge levels.

Being selfish on survivor side is almost like working with the killer in the advantage it gives you.

Survivors complain about 'toxic' killers, and ruin and noed and bloodlust. Y'all are the biggest handicaps to yourselves that I've seen.

Everyone complains about moris. Hell suiciding and DCing is just a mori that the killer doesn't have to burn an offering for.

you are correct. this is a team game on survivor side, yes.

"Being selfish on survivor side is almost like working with the killer in the advantage it gives you."

what advantage does it give me being paired with survivors who still think turning on a generator while watching me die is a good idea for any reason they might make up?

"Survivors complain about 'toxic' killers, and ruin and noed and bloodlust. Y'all are the biggest handicaps to yourselves that I've seen."

if i am providing myself a huge handicap by leaving a game where my own team are choosing to allow me to be "sacrificed" for no legitimate reason, why are you the one complaining about me doing it on the forum? again i put it to you and all others that if you have written me off as a "distraction" or whatever you want to call it, i could care less about providing you anything at all, much less another full minute or more of my life. you really shouldn't even be in a game with someone on my level.

"Everyone complains about moris. Hell suiciding and DCing is just a mori that the killer doesn't have to burn an offering for."

personally i don't complain about moris, i like them. i complain about people who dc from those matches because they think moris are "toxic" partially because i understand that you thinking something is "toxic" for whatever reason equates to little more than "i've heard a brittney spears song a few times and thought it was fitting"..

things people call "toxic" are really just a one word description of things they don't like personally. i could flip it around and say avoiding moris are "toxic", leaving people on hooks to die is "toxic".

to me, stealth play in general is "toxic".. to stealth players, i'm "toxic" or "bullying the killer" because i'm not wasting more than half of my life practicing to be an inanimate object.

and that just ruins the other survivors chances of surviving by letting yourself die as the next one will get camped, people who are being forced to serve as a distraction or taken hostage should be given something for their time.

@csandman1977 and @Rokku_Rorru

let me quote sandman right quick so we're on the same page..

"Theres a difference between leaving someone to die on hook because you can't be bothered to rescue them and not being able to because killer is face camping. Yes a well coordinated team will have no problems whatsoever in rescuing even against a facecamper, but for solo players more than likely they wont be able to deal with a face camper."

---> sounds to me like a perfect opportunity for newer players to attempt to learn a new skill and begin their journey towards being a better player.. handing them a tool to make it more comfortable for them to remain lousy players just doesn't sound like a good idea at all..

why should the other players get extra opportunity to "survive", "escape", or anything else when they're not skilled enough to make that happen?

when i'm new at anything, i have to learn how to do whatever it is. if i don't attempt to learn how to do it, or even just portions of it, i'm only hurting myself and everyone around me. see how that works? it's not the people around you hurting you, its you hurting them..

I agree that new players need a way to learn, but maybe it's an issue with hooks as they are fundementally, if there was a way to make them easy to get to, to hook survivors but more difficult to camp (maze like surroundings to make it easier to get an unhook), it's just there is a problem here and survivors should be faced with a leave them and have a better chance at living or take a risk and save them.

Camping isn't the biggest of issues unless it's done 10 seconds into the game, because the killer got an insta down/spirit or nurse just gets super lucky and it happens so often which is frustrating.

IDK the game is a mess recently connections wise, and gameplay wise, I am not the biggest fan of end game collapse as killer, I also hate that I'm punished for camping even though it feels like you need to sometimes, as survivor I hate gen rushing... I'm beginning to feel like maybe I'm just going off the game, the more I play the more I see flaws, which is naturual, I just wish the devs would take more time to fix the health of the game instead of always going "we're gonna do it"

Maybe if the killer face camps the hook with no other survivors close by, the killer could receive Blood Point penalties which transfer to the hooked survivor. The other survivors could gain increased generator repair speed with less skill checks.

Nah.