The plague's red vomit is one of the most unfair things in this game.
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This is a pure lack of skill situation.
Plague is literally a gimmick killer
Almost worse than clown
Almost
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So I get how not cleansing is supposed to work against base kit. But what is everyone's plan if she has Blessed Apple?
Not cleansing implicitly admits that corrupt is a threat, so being a one shot in the face of it is a problem. And if she has Blessed Apple then she will have access to it even if you don't cleanse.
So what's your plan there? Never cleanse and just hope she's ######### at tracking? We've already established that vile purge makes stealth extremely difficult, and Plague has an addon to make it impossible (which you won't know if she has or not)
Plus she also has perks. There are perk builds that ensure you won't be ran around all game as well as perks like thanataphobia that cancel out any time saved by not healing.
And if you are so confident in your ability to dodge corrupt then why do you mind cleansing?
In fact if you are so good at dodging and looping you shouldn't be broken in the first place. So if the Plague is hitting you with vile then I don't want to hear you claiming that corrupt is a non-threat. Because either she downed you with M1 and puked on you meaning she can prevent you from looping her, or she M2ed you directly and a corrupt could hit you as well.
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"being infected is a death sentence"
rank 20 survivor adventures
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Plague isnt weak. She can keep everyone a 1 shot down the entire match or gain access to a crazy strong power upgrade.
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Just play hide and seek and dodge behind walls if she's chasing you because cover is your friend
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She is simple to face against my friend, for starters she is just a fully auto huntress so hiding behind walls is her greater counter, also stunning her in anyway will end the corrupt
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To be fair it does make chases take half as long at minimum.
Assuming the rank 1 survivor is also going against a rank 1 Killer (which isn't a given cuz borked matchmaking) looping her for 5 gens without being hit is implausible without really good RNG. (Even if it does take a minute)
Discounting Corrupt for a second the better you are at looping the more worthwhile healing is. This is because being healthy means a down will require 2 chases and thus you double the chase time.
Healing takes 32 seconds (assuming no medkit or perks) so if you can loop a Killer for 32 seconds or more you should heal. Looping a top ranked Killer for 5 gens is implausible, but about 40 seconds is perfectly doable. Otherwise no one would heal against anyone other than Spirit.
Obviously Corrupt throws a wrench in things, but don't just say being injured is meaningless without thinking things through all the way. This isn't 2015 anymore, you don't still have true infinites you can run the whole game.
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I agree, her corrupt purge is very OP, but you can easily counter it by not cleansing. If you cleanse against plague you can easily screw the entire team. Just don't cleanse unless the doors are open and you will be fine.
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TLDR: Run Bloodwarden
Try cleansing with the gates open now #########.
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Tbh... I cleanse because it makes the match more fun.
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I would not call it unfair, but I would call it too strong. I mean, when Survivors rather run around as Oneshots while making Noises which are not removeable by any means, this is a clear indicator that her Corrupt Purge is really powerful.
Personally, I think that Plague has a fantastic concept. But, she gets boring, because Survivors dont cleanse, removing a good chunk of her Power. And if Survivors cleanse, it can be GG quite easily, because it does not really matter if someone is healthy then, it can last only a few seconds to go from healthy to dying by using Corrupt Purge.
What I would like to see:
Nerf to Corrupt Purge. It should be strong, but not as strong as it is atm. Maybe that a minimum amount of Corrupt Purge needs to actually hit so that you dont get damage by a really tiny bit of her Puke hitting you.
Making it basically mandatory to cleanse. In order to give Plague her full Power, there needs to be something that "forces" the Survivors to cleanse. Not that they 100% NEED to cleanse, but that it is better to cleanse than not to cleanse. Maybe a BIG Slowdown on Action Speeds, compareable to old Freddy. Or that you are put into Dying State while sick for a while.
Sadly, I doubt that Big Slowdowns will be a thing, Devs stated it is unfun when talking about the Freddy Rework. And putting into Dying State when not cleansing is basically Deep Wound.
In the end, the goal should be that Plague has advantages when getting her Corrupt Purge, but not such a insanely strong ability. And the second goal should be that Survivors want and need to cleanse while still having the option not to do it in certain circumstances (like, vs old Freddy, you could complete a Gen in the Dream World, but it is not really recommended to do so).
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Dont cleanse vs Plague. Thats how you have to play. I regularly get screwed up by teammates who start to cleanse if theyre not broken yet. Plague without Corrupt is an easier to play against killer.
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That picture portrays how it feels to be targeted by the ancient machines so much it
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That isn't strong with how loopable she is. Plague is quite weak.
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You think corrupted purge is unfair....
Oh you poor deluded soul. You haven't met a huntress with iridescent hatchets and na Eboni Mori yet....
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Just stay broken and cleanse after all the gens have been powered. She’s literally useless as an M1 killer. If you go down, you go down. Better to go down from her swinging at you than for her to puke and knock you from 40 meters away
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Equating addons and offerings to killer power = does not compute
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I don't get why people are so afraid of corrupt purge.
Corrupt purge is strong but it's not impossible to deal with. It is dodgeable, same as Huntress hatchets, and actually in some cases is easier to dodge. Huntress can hit you over hedges. Corrupt Purge can't. You can crouch and you'll never be hit.
Just because it counters looping doesn't mean it's something to be scared of. Nurse counters looping but she is easily juked. Corrupt Purge counters looping but it can be dodged and also juked, not as easily as nurse but doable.
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That's why you don't cleanse till endgame...
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Step 1: Don't Cleanse
Step 2: STONKS
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There's something called not cleansing
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Poor child. Every killer is loopable (aside from Nurse).
Having to only hit a survivor 1 time to down them is amazing and gives her a great advantage. Plague is 115% speed too. She is not weak.
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That's the high level strat against plague, because most high level players know how not to get found.
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No one ever cleanses when you start getting beyond green ranks, so yes, this is legitimate good advice.
More broadly: Learning to be comfortable with playing while injured is important. Healing is not always the right move.
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Not if you run iri seal with the purple addon that makes the corrupt last longer.
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7 vote ups from players that clean themselves all the time and screw everyone's game.
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This "child" has more hours than you and all your friends combined as well as playing both sides at rank 1 regularly.
Also, no all killers are not loopable, just most. If you think Spirit is loopable you are quite new. Once you play at high ranks some you will learn how weak she really is.
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We aren't comparing a killers level of strength using their absolute best and rare/ultra rare addons.
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That's true but they should also be taken into consideration. But yeah without addons she's just mediocre.
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Yes? Resilience means you work faster AND working on infected gens wont give you away.
If you're half decent and hiding/looping, that strategy DESTROYS plague.
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You said iron maiden twice... also, why iron maiden?
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How often did you played as plague?
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Iron Maiden is very useless on Plague ( and in general ), her power already gives you instant down and tracking.
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Either don't cleanse and know how to loop, or be more cautious and hide while she has her corrupt.
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Yeah, that's kinda what most survivors do. Not that ridiculous if you're any good at looping.
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One thing I don't understand about the Plague is this:
A survivor cleanses, Plague collects corrupt purge at a fountain, uses the red vomit, then reverts back to green after a while.
But then, for seemingly no reason, the Plague is "breathing fire" once again - without having gone to another fountain.
Is this a game mechanic or a bug? Whatever it is, it's a surprise mechanic which some survivors would argue is unfair.
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Essentially if you're not cleansing you're playing no mither but without any benefit. With how loud survivors are they are much easier to find but whispers + spies helps.
To say "don't cleanse" isn't really a viable counter to her. If you're playing with randoms they all cleanse and you're one hit. If you're SWF you're just playing using a no mither strategy again with no benefit. These are the very same people that b* and moan about stealthy players 🙄
I don't play her because matches are generally quick and that's no fun. Either folks are stealthy and gen rushing or 3k-4k with no real points. I play killer for the BP.
That being said if you don't cleanse use perks like calm spirit + feather and some gen perks then you stand a chance. I've definitely been destroyed by survivors who were stealthy. Did they get many points nope. Did they make it out yep.
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Insta-meds and iridescent keys would like to have a word with you.
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I play at Rank 1. I loop Spirits all the time because shes my second main so I know how she operates. Simple perks such as spine chill, dead hard, and iron will make looping her manageable. Like I said, every killer but Nurse is loopable.
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Spirit is not loopable whatsoever. You are playing against idiots if you are.
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One hit melee down or two extra quick long range hits that are hard too dodge ?
Your choice
And not to mention there are some loop structures with high enough wall that can protect you
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Crouch when she pukes whyle being behind an object, she'll miss every time, and those players WANT to hit you with the purge, so, no actual chase. Hope this helps, that's how I deal with her puke. Also, not cleansing is an option if you believe you're an experienced looper cause sshe's SLOW AH
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In that logic, survivor main can say all the killers have to do is stop suriviour from doing gens. So if the killer is getting gen rush it is there fault for not taking suriviour off gen. That's exactly how your point sounds like if it is being look at to a suriviour main.
I don't understand what you guys take killers are at times. Like you make them act like mindless idiot most of the time that doesn't know that there is other suriviour they can go after or can simply play mind games against the survivor. Currently in this game stage, there is more unsafe pallets than safe pallets. This means that looping isn't a thing because you can only "loop" a killer twice if lucky. If you manage to loop the killer more than its the killer's fault for either respecting the pallet or double backing multiple times. Looping isnt a thing and things such as vaulting is nothing more than a joke because there is a limit to how long you can vault. It's easier for a killer to hit you must of the time if you do vault. If you watch videos you can clealry see that the suriviour ain't overpowering the killer, but are just playing smart because most good suriviors are also killer mains so they understand what to do and mistakes most killer makes.
I'm sorry, but you are being very naive to say red rank suriviour don't heal. In that case then red rank would always run no mither which most of us dont because we don't want to be hit once. I don't think you understand how badly your chase time is lowred if you are just a one hit at all time.
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"In that logic, survivor main can say all the killers have to do is stop suriviour from doing gens. So if the killer is getting gen rush it is there fault for not taking suriviour off gen. That's exactly how your point sounds like if it is being look at to a suriviour main."
That is not what I am saying whatsoever and that is not the same logic at all. You aren't following.
"Like you make them act like mindless idiot most of the time that doesn't know that there is other suriviour they can go after or can simply play mind games against the survivor."
We are talking about high rank games, not playing against idiots in low ranks. You act like we aren't already doing these things. Also, your improper grammar and sentence structure makes your sentences very difficult to understand.
"Currently in this game stage, there is more unsafe pallets than safe pallets."
Wrong.
"This means that looping isn't a thing because you can only "loop" a killer twice if lucky."
You mean if you're bad at survivor.
"Looping isnt a thing and things such as vaulting is nothing more than a joke because there is a limit to how long you can vault."
This is just completely wrong again.
"It's easier for a killer to hit you must of the time if you do vault"
Only if you're a bad survivor vaulting from the wrong angle.
"I'm sorry, but you are being very naive to say red rank suriviour don't heal."
They don't. It's very clear that you don't play any where near red ranks by these statements.
"In that case then red rank would always run no mither which most of us dont because we don't want to be hit once."
Just because they don't heal doesn't mean they would waste a perk slot to stay injured, this is not the same thing and just a stupid statement to make.
"I don't think you understand how badly your chase time is lowred if you are just a one hit at all time."
It's very clear that you are a new player to this game with these statements you've made. It's also extremely clear you are a very low rank player. Players that have actually been playing the game a long time at rank 1 understand these things I've said. Once you've got a few more hours under your belt and make it to rank 1 you will understand this.
You are commenting on things that you have no experience with at all.
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She has addons that give her corrupt purge. Apples corrupt a fountain at the start of the game, so she collects those when she needs it.
A red one gives it to her for free when a gen is finished.
If all fountains get corrupted, she gets corrupt purge and all fountains get clean.
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Just put the pallet down early during red and loop them around areas where it isn't easy to land. Also, if you run quick and quiet/ head on you can land some easy stuns on most people.
But this is exactly why most don't cleanse versus her and just rush gens. Just pretend you are running no mither and play safe. If you're not good at looping yet, don't be so greedy with pallets and just drop them. It's better to waste the killers time as much as possible than have one of your teammates have to go unhook you and have get off gens.
I don't know why newer players don't run Window of opportunity to be honest. It's basically a huge help if you don't know the maps and common pallet spawns. People watch streamers and forget that they have been playing 3k+ hours so they can afford to run more Meta like perks. It's better if you can avoid having to use DS in the first place... Also, ensure you get to use it by hoping in a locker. Don't be that guy who just get slugged.
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Plagues then could use Bamboozle or Cruel Limits, but then get called a bad killer for using loop countering perks. I will still never understand the logic of that btw
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Well most of the loop countering perks don't actually counter looping anyway. Cruel Limits is trash and Bamboozle only really "helps" with certain loops some.
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1.) I said what you are saying for how a suriviour can loop a killer so easily and how a suriviour can easily counter her. Can be the same as if a suriviour main talks about how a killer can prevent gen rushing.
2.) In high rank games, a killer wouldn't spend most of his time chasing after one survivor for more than 80 seconds.
3.) There are more unsafe pallets than safe pallets. If there is more safe than unsafe pallets than I would like you to show me evidence of the devs stating that.
4.) No I mean if it is a good killer they wouldn't allow the suriviour to loop them more than three times in one area. Multiple killer mains such as tru3 and Monto confirmed this.
5.) No you are just wrong if you think a suriviour can look you endlessly. There are perks to stop loops such as endurance and spirit fury so I don't know what you are on about.
6.) Not if you are a bad suriviour because the range in which a killer can hit through vaults is massive.
7.) Clearly you are not the one to play red rank games.
8.) No your statement about suriviors doing gens while injured is stupid because what if the killer has perks to slow down gens while injured? Or what if the killer has the add on to locate suriviors that are sick? You are telling me they would stay Injured? I think you are ignorant.
9.) I have no experience? Firstly, I don't recall you showing me any evidence of you being experience at the game. Secondly, I'm pretty sure I know more about the game than you do if you think a survivor can look a good killer main forever.
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Firsly, low hours.
Secondly, that's only survivor, not rank 1 killer.
"1.) I said what you are saying for how a suriviour can loop a killer so easily and how a suriviour can easily counter her. Can be the same as if a suriviour main talks about how a killer can prevent gen rushing."
Except one is feasible, the other is not.
"2.) In high rank games, a killer wouldn't spend most of his time chasing after one survivor for more than 80 seconds."
Obviously.
"3.) There are more unsafe pallets than safe pallets. If there is more safe than unsafe pallets than I would like you to show me evidence of the devs stating that."
I never said the devs did say it. What I am saying is that it's extremely obvious if you actually play enough games and look at all the pallet distributions. The evidence is quite clearly there.
"4.) No I mean if it is a good killer they wouldn't allow the suriviour to loop them more than three times in one area. Multiple killer mains such as tru3 and Monto confirmed this."
Only if they are playing a top tier killer. Tru3 would and has multiple times agreed with everything I have said here. Monto doesn't even play killer at rank 1. Most of his videos are survivor or low rank killer games.
"5.) No you are just wrong if you think a suriviour can look you endlessly. There are perks to stop loops such as endurance and spirit fury so I don't know what you are on about."
No, you are incorrect. Most "anti-loop" perks are average at best and do not actually counter it but simply make it slightly less painful. Even Enduring/Spirit Fury doesn't counter looping, it only makes it slightly less painful. There's a reason Enduring/SF is almost required on all M1 killers, it's because of how broken the loops are.
"6.) Not if you are a bad suriviour because the range in which a killer can hit through vaults is massive."
It is not. If you are getting hit it's because you missplayed and did not time your jump well. There is no issue with hits through vaults.
"7.) Clearly you are not the one to play red rank games."
And here you are, proven wrong. My hours and achieves for you to look at.
"8.) No your statement about suriviors doing gens while injured is stupid because what if the killer has perks to slow down gens while injured? Or what if the killer has the add on to locate suriviors that are sick? You are telling me they would stay Injured? I think you are ignorant."
Thanata is trash. Finding injured survivors doesn't matter with how strong and prevalent loops are. If you seriously think this then you have no idea what you are doing. Get to killer rank 1 and come back.
"9.) I have no experience? Firstly, I don't recall you showing me any evidence of you being experience at the game. Secondly, I'm pretty sure I know more about the game than you do if you think a survivor can look a good killer main forever."
My profile has been posted proving all my stats. The fact that you have these completely wrong opinions makes it very clear how new and inexperienced in the game you are.
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