The fact that ruin is used so much, is a testament that the game is not balanced and poorly designed

It is pc elitism to act like every console survivor is bad, killers use controllers too.

Marth uses a controller, and ppl think the depip squad are like God's, lol.

Old Freddy was underrated, he required a different play style but a lot of people didn’t realize that.

The only flaw with this experiment is that it’d seriously de-rank you, so the experiment would eventually end you up in low ranks.

It's depressing that a discussion of a perk that gets used in like 90% of matches has just devolved into people ego stroking like it discounts the point at all.

This test is also assuming your going to only use 3 perks when not using ruin, as opposed to replacing it with a perk that let's me end chases faster or cut down on time between chases. The whole point of NOT using it is to have use of 4 perks during the match instead of 3 perks for 90% of it.

So many ppl hate on that idea whenever it's brought up. We gotta protect you poor console killers from the PC "optimal and good" survivors.

It's not that there is no other options. It's that a lot of people prefer Ruin because they don't want to step out of the comfort zone and try a new idea. Ruin is good at what it does, but hasn't been good for a long time. The survivors you need it against dont care about it. The ones you dont need it against no longer care for it. The ones that suffer were the ones who it wouldn't of mattered if you had it or not.

Ruin is used so often because it is the most consistent early game slow-down perk. The first chase is often the most important, and if you, for whatever reason, have a long first chase, ruin allows you the extra time to hook someone before the gens start popping.

Ruin isn't necessary in every game. Sometimes you pop off early and snowball hard. Sometimes you just have a good game. But, in other games you have a rough start and it lets you make a comeback. It's hard to play consistently well as killer every game. Ruin gives you safety time.

Against really good survivors you need every extra second you can get, and ruin gives that. Only nurse absolutely never needs ruin because she is broken, but good players already know that.

Exactly. People who thought old Freddy was F-tier simply didn't know how to play as him, or never played against a good Freddy. He was legit one of the most oppressive killers to go against, super deadly if the player knew how to use him.

Semantics. Get hung up on one word if you want. That is a very childish argument to make. And looking at the thread I don't recall ever saying that anything was required. Neither did the original post. Did you reply to the wrong post?

You could make the same use out of corrupt intervention though, which forces survivors to either travel toward you to do gens or waste 2 minutes waiting on the perk. Either way, you get some buffer from genrush at the point in the game where survivors hit gens the hardest. It's also ALWAYS consistent unlike ruin, which could last all game or 15 seconds.

I keep forgetting plague and her perks, to be honest. CI is a different kind of hindrance with other drawbacks. It doesnt affect the act of repairing, but places a restriction on the choice of gens.

Survivors who dont run into a blocked gen at the start will not even notice it's been in play.

In the same vein, survivors who can hit great skillchecks or dont get skillchecks at all will not be bothered by ruin.

Like mentioned in my original post, most "gen slowdown" perks dont affect survivors at full power unconditionally. Ruin isnt necessary or even reliable, totally agree. But it works until a survivor bothers to cleanse it, which apparently isnt happening much.

Since it affects the gens furthest from you, that's typically the gens survivors spawn at. Survivors working on the remaining gens have to get closer, which allows you more opportunities to pressure multiple survivors at once. Your much more likely to find multiple survivors on a gen if there's fewer gens available.

I think corrupt intervention is good tracking perk because it theoretically makes survivors come closer to the center of the map. It doesn't impede generator progress though and since the killer can only really chase/pressure 1 or 2 survivors at most, generators will get done if the team is playing optimal at generators. If the survivors hide, than it also doesn't do much but it's very powerful with other tracking perks like discordance and whispers as those type of perks somewhat remove stealth from the game. Ruin is used a lot as perk because it allows killers to advance hook states of survivors without too many generators getting done. You can play the game without Ruin, but often, it forces the killer to slug if they want to win vs good optimal teams.

I'd say as far map design is concerned, the bigger the map, the harder it is to win as killer. If you ever wondered why some killers pick indoor maps like "The game" or Lery or the new hawkins laboratory, It has to do with the ability to pressure generators. pressuring generators isn't just getting people off generators, it's making them scared to repair them and indoor maps where you constantly hear terror radius make you question where the killer is. This is also why survivors usually pick Farm maps, Red forest , Mount Ormond Resort because those maps are so large that you physically can't pressure generators since it takes you like 40 seconds to walk from one side of the map to another. that's like half generator done. They're also really strong looping maps as most of the pallets are nearly all safe. On those maps, you'll basically just split the map in 2 and try to hook people on one side of the map to force others to come and help. There are some odd maps out there who also contain crazy loops, but most of the time, you don't need to commit to a chase that isn't worth winning, Some players run bamboozle to fix some of the imbalances of those crazy loops but I often question if that perk is really worth the perk slot.

I think moral of dbd is that if something is a problem in dbd, you just invent a perk to fix it. Is that healthy game design? I wouldn't know. but that's kinda how dbd works for both survivor and killer. you sort of just grow to accept those minor details in the game and move on.

You spelled salty and lose wrong

Also Ruin is only meant to slow early game down

It's the context. Don't act like it's the same reason (toxicity) everytime

Your test would just prove that having a perk to give time...gives time. That doesnt mean it gives more kills or anything like that. I also wasnt saying to use corrupt for a test, but rather that people do infact use a perk inplace of ruin that lasts the whole game. That perk doesnt HAVE to give time, but could simply be to make the limited time given more valuable and to provide pressure by ending chases faster. But yes... if you want to run a 1 perk build using ruin while standing in a corner, then do it again without perks... You'll probably notice results until the survivors inevitably get bored and run around looking for you. Last time I did this as wraith...they found me...standing in a corner, invisible.

Ruin is an S tier perk no doubt about it, but finding the hex is fairly easy if you've played the game enough to know where totems spawn...