The Killer Propaganda that Killers are Useless at Red Ranks

It would be more accurate to say that Killers not close to the top of the food chain struggle against good teams.

They could remove wraiths collision while cloaked and he'd still be trash... him being able to not worry about going around buildings and cutting loops as short as possible and he'd still be hot garbage because his power still doesn't work as intended...... Clapper needs to be base.

I feel people's personal goals and how competitive they are contributes to it. I am not trying to argue about what's an "objective" win for killers, I'm just saying that two different people might feel differently about the same match.

Yeah, to someone who wants to consistently achieve their goal and win they'll probably want to avoid feeling "helpless" on killers that can be heavily hampered by certain perks, items or if the survivors are experienced enough. To someone who's fine with inconsistency and having "those games" it might be different. I honestly feel the game's design tries its best to make consistency HARD to achieve, as while it's a competitive game by definition it's by no means a game with the top-oriented "esports friendly" style of balancing some games employ nowadays. One match can be perfectly average, then the next the "power" spikes immensely as it's an omegablink nurse vs a 4man swf with 4 syringes or whatever.

And that's another thing, the "high ranks" have a massive variance of skill on both sides. Someone who shrugs it off and moves on if the inconsistency makes them lose at times can still stay there.

But yeah, just gonna go ahead and say that anyone that says anything even close to "I ONLY get toxic ascended 4man SWFs!" are being decieved by negativity bias at best, and straight up spreading disinformation at worst.

I think any killer can do well or at least put up a fight against average survivors. Against the teams made up of all above average survivors, probably not

Nurse, Spirit, Billy, Hag, Huntress Freddy are 100% fine and completely viable against even those SFW teams.

Ghostface, Plague, Myers and Clown aren't quite as good but I'd still expect you to get results, with Ghostface, Plague and Myers being borderline cases.

That just leaves Pig, Legion, Doctor, Trapper, Wraith and Leatherface. Meaning there are as many viable Killers as unviable Killers with a few killers in a gray area as well.

While not preferable it's not THAT bad either.

Demogorgon is unlisted for now but I'm estimating him being viable.

Nah the build that lets him absolutely shred pallets and near instaneously kick gens and vault windows is strong as well. You save a massive amount of time and it always takes survivors by surprise. Wraith is underrated and deserves a spot in mid-tier.

5000 hours and you're still bad damn :/ condolences my man

I was in red ranks and I watched everyone die to Trapper with Ruin, lol.

In Hawkins Laboratory.

This post is really tone deaf and seems to just want to stir the pot.

Everyone has "fun" in different ways...

EDIT: Had to repost because the spam filter hates me. Come on now.

You make a lot of assumptions for someone who claims to play at Red ranks.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I know many people here and in other Discords pretty much universally agree that killers like Trapper, Wraith, Plague, and Leatherface are underperforming and need buffs.

I've been pipping/double pipping at red ranks with Wraith and Legion and do you know what I see? I see terrible survivors who don't know how to loop properly, make dumb altruism saves, and constantly make stupid mistakes that cost them the game. Or they do something incredibly cocky like they all rush for a basement save against a killer with Save the Best for Last or NOED and 3 people get downed.

You said you play solo survivor? That will make a huge difference in your success rate. I have a SWF group that I play with occasionally. Myself with 1.5k hours, one with 3-4k, and others with over 1k hours. We can pull off a 4-man escape at least 90% of the time, regardless of killer or perks. The only games where we don't is when one of us makes a bad play, or the killer snowballs too hard, or we piss around and don't do gens. When I play solo, I usually get creamed by the killer because people can't loop, or don't do gens, or I [BAD WORD] up and it costs us the game because my teammates can't pick up the slack. M1 killers are not viable at red ranks.

The main problem is SWF, but a lot of it comes down to S-tier perks being stacked and godawful map design, too. (Seriously, please, BHVR, can we get a new map designer? Pretty please?) A 4-man solo with experience and coordination can be just as scary as a 4-man SWF with comms and full loadouts. The fact that you never see these players just tells me that you don't play killer at red ranks.

Plague isn't a BAD killer, to be lumped in with Trapper and Wraith.

She's a flawed killer in her design because what should be a fun and interactive power boils down to "everybody is broken" and you don't touch your power button again for 10 minutes.

She still nets a high kill rate, her power essentially halves survivability regardless, meaning she can either stack stalling perks and slow the game down enough to kill weakened survivors, or she can stack chase perks and blitz through pallets fast enough to end her half as many chases fast enough.

The reason she isn't popular or seen very often is because if you can't encourage survivors to cleanse, her power gets very dull fast.

Can you get 4ks with non viable killers? Yes.

Is it as easy to do without using the three top tier killers? Lol no.

Its like saying survivors can escape without using non meta perks, like sure you can do it, but if you really want to escape then why would you?

Soo to what I've read. People dont take videos etc as proof that killers work at red ranks despite them being...at red ranks. The win just mean garbage survivors...but if they lose it's because the survivors are too good and the killer character used is bad...???????? What.....? It makes it sound like its every excuse as to why it's the survivors fault on whether a killer is good or bad. Huh? Strategy and skill do play a factor. It's not one sided. I dont understand. Either they suck or they dont. Just because you lose to survivors at red rank doesnt make the killer bad. Just cause you win at red ranks doesnt mean the killer is good either though...it just means bad survivors. This argument is kinda stupid and flawed in both aspects.

I've seen multiple rank 1's get instantly downed by none top tier viable killers on a daily basis.

Red ranks at rank 1 have a huge spectrum from straight dodoo to very good looper, and I always see the dodoo. We also got to keep in mind that at the highest level of play we are extremely greedy with pallets. I will take the hook more often than not to save a really good pallet.

People cry out about imbalance for a number of reasons, but SWF is among the top contributors. They feel only a select few of things are viable because they lost horribly a few times versus a full sweat squad on comms. Also, they thing they are the greatest killer in the game when they are far from it.

I mean, some people are saying that only Nurse and Spirit are viable at Red Ranks. Which is false. However, I would say that Nurse and Spirit are the only Killers who can actually fight high-coordinated 4 man SWFs. But those are really a minority (a really, really small minority), so the game should never be balanced around those kind of groups.

But in Red Ranks vs Solos or more Casual SWFs, I think there are more Killers which are capable of winning. Some examples can be easily seen on Stream, even if tru3 is saying that only Spirit or Nurse are viable, he gets 4Ks with other Killers. TheEntityLeftHand is playing Trapper at Rank 1, one of the more weaker Killers (however, he is playing that much Trapper, sure he does good with it).

In my opinion, the following Killers can work at Red Ranks:

Nurse, Spirit-->vs highly coordinated 4 man SWFs

Nurse, Spirit, Billy, Hag, Myers, Huntress, Plague, Freddy, Pig (I might be biased here, had really good games lately with Pig and she might become my favorite Killer)--->Red Ranks vs Solos or Casual SWFs

The rest is more or less viable at Purple Ranks, with some Killers (looking at you Wraith, Legion, Doctor, Leatherface) needing more improvements than others.

But yeah, you can play basically every Killer at Red Ranks and have a good experience, but should not expect to win every game.