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Making David King Homosexual

LastResort554
LastResort554 Member Posts: 5
edited October 2019 in Lore

Okay so before people get mad at "you don't need to make a character gay"

When I play survivor, I only play David King, because for some reason he resonances with my heart and soul.

This game has really helped me though some tough times, and David King became a part of me.

I even have his rose tattooed on my neck!

I know one person's request might not be heard, but I know there are alot of LGBT people who play this game, and looking at other online games who have had LGBT characters written into the law such as overwatch. It would mean the world to us if we could just have one character who we can say "this game shows us pride, respect and love."

So please fellow people of the fog, and the amazing Devs that have brought me this game!

Signed, LastResort554, David King main.

P.S please don't change his tattoo again!!!


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  • LastResort554
    LastResort554 Member Posts: 5

    Sorry, but Kate and Jeff have been pretty much paired by everyone, what's so wrong with just asking for someone to represent us LGBT. It's not like I asked Dwight to be transgendered or something. And no we don't have "enough representation. Statistics say that 1/10 people are gay, there is over 10 survivors, so who would you most think fits?

    I believe it to be David. He's rough, but deep down (in his lore) he protects his friends. Showing that even the most masculine men can have a soft spot. I'm just saying that because yes, I may be projecting myself into him. But as I said. I 100% see myself in him.

  • PhantomMask20763
    PhantomMask20763 Member Posts: 5,176

    I wouldn't mind it personally, I'm gay myself so representation is fine in my eyes. The way I see it tho, the devs like giving people freedom with the characters. They want to let you have them be whatever you want them to be, and I think that's pretty cool. Not against the idea at all tho.

  • Todgeweiht
    Todgeweiht Member Posts: 3,666

    I hope they implement a gay character with the maturity the subject should have, not just force it to make gay people happy, maybe my wording was not adequate

    Now, its up to you if you think the game has insuficient LGBT representation, i dont agree with every single piece of media out there needing a gay character to be inclusive.

    With that out of the way, again, i hope i did not offend you, it was not my intention.

  • LastResort554
    LastResort554 Member Posts: 5

    Look, I emailed the Devs my tattoo and they loved it, so I asked if they could make David homosexual in honour of my eternal support, so they asked me to post this.

    With the archives coming out soon, who knows? Everyone could be gay!

  • PrincessPoop
    PrincessPoop Member Posts: 919

    I knew this post would get a lot of backlash. I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting to see yourself represented in media, even in a video game like Dead By Daylight.

    Its the same thing as people wanting more female characters, or black characters or hispanic characters etc. When you are apart of a minority it is nice to feel included. It just seems more forced with LGBT characters because sexuality is less apparent, so it always has to be made explicit.

    With that being said, I don’t think any of the non-licensed characters have a defined sexuality, so it seems like its something thats purposely ambiguous, as to leave to the players interpretation.

  • Kerbert
    Kerbert Member Posts: 415

    ....wut

  • LastResort554
    LastResort554 Member Posts: 5

    I was literally talking about that to my friends hahaha

  • Ark_the_Bonsai
    Ark_the_Bonsai Member Posts: 867

    I actually didn't see much backlash, only one post was really a "No". The rest were more like mine, a "So long as they do it right, but I don't want it to seem forced/do more harm than good."

    But i'd honestly forgotten about the Archives, which would be the perfect way to introduce a character's sexuality without it doing more harm than good. The archives are just memories so it would make sense for a character to have fond memories of their partner if they had one.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342

    People politely disagreeing with one another isn't the same thing as "backlash". And OP's request is not quite the same as hoping for more variation in the backgrounds of future characters. In the case of this thread, we're talking about an existing character, so it's more comparable to asking the devs to make Meg canonically transgender, or the Nurse hispanic. Diversity is fine, but retroactively plopping in irrelevant details like that purely for the sake of diversity isn't a good idea.

  • PrincessPoop
    PrincessPoop Member Posts: 919

    Well there was one poster who was being somewhat rude, but it’s true that’s its definitely not as much backlash as I initially though lol.

    But with that being said, honestly what does it matter if they revealed an existing character to be gay? Like I said, none of the non-licensed characters have a defined orientation, so it’s not like it would be retconning or anything. I seriously doubt that if it’s were revealed tomorrow that Claudette is straight and had a boyfriend that’s people would be upset.

    Besides the archives are right around the corner, and they are going to dive into the lore of all the characters which means we are going to be learnings more about them anyways. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that one of the already existing characters is lgbt.

  • PrincessPoop
    PrincessPoop Member Posts: 919

    True it definitely wasn’t as much backlash as I initially thought. (Which is a good thing tbh lol)

    And yes I feel like if they were to reveal something like this, the archives would be the perfect opportunity to do so.

  • katoptris
    katoptris Member Posts: 3,179
  • dfrenchiee
    dfrenchiee Member Posts: 334

    Mathieu has already said that at least one of the survivors is gay, but they aren't going to say who; so you are free to believe whoever you want is gay. Its up for interpretation.

    If they went ahead and said "David is gay" that might make some people upset just like if they had said that "Dwight is straight"

  • Rokku_Rorru
    Rokku_Rorru Member Posts: 1,308


    In a genre where sexuality has been one of the main tropes since the dawn of slasher movies etc. Where Nancy and Steve are two of such examples...

    Sex sells, it always has and it always will.

  • TheALIEN
    TheALIEN Member Posts: 327

    Always thought Ace was gay Xx

  • Aikanaro
    Aikanaro Member Posts: 310

    Nothing wrong, but nothing right at the same time.

    Because you are gay it doesnt mean everybody is, I´ve been playing videogames for the last 30 years, since I was 3 and never cared about sex orientation just the damn game.

    DbD is a game with a fat chick and a big belly dude, chicken nerdy dude with glasses, Nea looks lesbian, muscular alpha dude, a gambler, a quiet asian with silent/stealth perks, an asian girl, we only need an australian with a crocodile dundee hat and we have every stereotype on earth.

    A character is not better or worse because of sex orientation, so please stop this LGTB nonsense.

  • Aikanaro
    Aikanaro Member Posts: 310

    When you protect your friends its because they are like brothers to you, not because you are soft.. you just care about them.

  • silasbleu
    silasbleu Member Posts: 181

    All I know is that, as I said previously, there is nothing wrong with someone posting their suggestions whether it is toward a character's design, lore or whatever the case. By doing so no one is "forcing" an agenda down anyone's throat.

    The OP made is strikingly clear that he didn't want the character to simply be gay just for that reason but for it to be moreso a character trait that quite fittingly stemmed from David's lore. Are we not going to explore the background on characters in the upcoming archive/rifts? I believe they even showed a concept of a young Claudette with her parents as an example of how this lore development will be unfolded. So what is wrong with them showing or hinting at past relationships, whether romantic or simply platonic? How does doing so take away from the game, regardless of the sexuality of the character?

  • Dr_Trauts
    Dr_Trauts Member Posts: 704

    Dude if u want him to be gay just think that he is, you dont need to change the lore. who cares about the lore, it dm. (also i could be wrong but i think the rose is based loosely on the Rugby english rose symbol as david king is into rugby, dont quote me on it tho)

  • Hozh
    Hozh Member Posts: 84

    use your imagination thinking hes actually gay, no need to force it into a video game, not only +18 play this game

  • Mister_xD
    Mister_xD Member Posts: 7,669

    i certainly wouldnt mind that.

    its not like it would change anything gameplay wise - though his fangirls will probaply never agree to that xD

  • PrincessPoop
    PrincessPoop Member Posts: 919

    So interestingly enough I reread all the characters lore the other day, and I learned that the Nurse is actually canonically straight. The first line of her lore states that she had a husband named Andrew, and on top of that, the devs now “ship” her with the wraith. So to the people saying that sexuality doesn’t belong in this game, it’s already too late for that.

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,020

    Its so hard to post on this......


    He isn't gay, but you can let him be gay?

  • TerminatorGuy
    TerminatorGuy Member Posts: 434

    This thread is the reason stuff like this will never happen.

  • VolantConch1719
    VolantConch1719 Member Posts: 1,237

    Okay, I know I'm not the best person to talk about this kind of thing, but I'm going to give it a try anyway.

    I really don't care about the sexuality of a character. And if they do say that David is gay, I'll... still not play him much because I hate how loud he is, but I won't mind. The diversity of Survivors is what makes them unique from the Killers, and I like that. Having a gay character would just add to it. Right now, David is just the tough, English guy with an aggressive personality. What I don't want is for it to be out of the blue. Overwatch got a lot of backlash from Tracer and Solider: 76 because it was never hinted at. Ever. And then, boom... they're suddenly "always been this way," or something like that (I stopped really following Overwatch news after Hammond honestly). Build it up through the Archives. Don't just let it be the first thing that happens.

    But that's just a minor issue that I, personally, have with making a character in DBD gay. My biggest issue is that... there are people in this game who don't, and don't want to, understand, or even more so, accept, what these characters are. They may be tunneled, camped, lobby dodged, etc. all because of their sexuality. And, I don't want that. And I think that's the biggest reason why BHVR has been so vague with this. The community is bad enough.

    So, to end it off, if you want David to be gay, just say that he is yourself. A lot of people already pair him up with Dwight anyway. I'm just afraid of the negativity it would ignite in the game, and the controversy that it would cause. Any wrong move, and the whole game goes crashing down.

    That's just my two cents on this issue. Again, I'm not the best person for this kind of thing (I'm just bad at communicating as it is), but I wanted to say something about it.

  • AshleyWB
    AshleyWB Member Posts: 4,061

    I have previously said something similar to the original post about how it would be neat if there were little hints which you could interpret from certain Survivors making you wonder about their sexuality and other differences.

    One thing I will say is that once you start trivialising why it should or shouldn't be in the game be careful what you say because you can easily cross the line without necessarily meaning to. I see it's getting kinda heated here and it shouldn't be.

    I think identifying to a character enhances the experience. Makes it overall a more engaging experience. There's nothing wrong or forceful about it.

    There is no legitimate reason why there shouldn't be a homosexual character in the game. This doesn't mean that there needs to be one but I personally think it's clear how the Devs create characters of many diverse backgrounds, race, shape and sizes.

    Don't act like a character being made 'gay' is not acceptable to you. I don't see any harm whatsoever and if you only slightly disagree then what harm is there to giving some players someone that they can relate to.

    I'm not lecturing anyone here but I think it's important to keep it civil when talking about potentially touchy subjects which could lead to offense being made unintentionally (in most cases). I'm sure you're smart enough to not be hateful meanies.

  • AshleyWB
    AshleyWB Member Posts: 4,061

    Your wording made it sound as if you were talking down to gay 'folk'. It's ok it's difficult trying to be politically correct nowadays.

    You do raise a good point about how certain things about characters should remain a mystery. In response to that I just think... what is the worst thing that could happen? Every homosexual player mains the one gay Survivor, if it makes people happy and feel a stronger sense of belonging then good for them. It's not like it's shoved in your face.

  • AshleyWB
    AshleyWB Member Posts: 4,061

    I agree with you to an extent. I just don't see a spike in homophobia happening and if it does then there are so many ways they will be dealt with accordingly.

    I know there are people out there who think being gay is wrong and I feel like it's things like this which will show those people that gay people are people too.

    Credit to you for voicing your opinion knowing you weren't confident on how to phrase it. It came across well and you raised some fair points.

  • Lithuanian
    Lithuanian Member Posts: 141

    +1 I want a gay david

  • OMagic_ManO
    OMagic_ManO Member Posts: 3,278
    edited October 2019

    Character are forced gay to be made of a media representation and LGBT prospective, it's like propaganda, if you want him to be gay, nothing wrong with that! Just respect others if they don't see what you do. Sexuality isn't important in this game, but if it is to you, let it be and let what your heart desires and mind desires to flourish.


    This isn't a place I'd talk about this to but sexuality is irrelevant in a game of survival, your choice is okay but I don't think BHVR is making "oh hey I'm gay" and wearing a rainbow t-shirt a type of thing in the game, not because of homophobia, just because it's not an issue, everyone is human in the realm of the entity and they have their own backgrounds, some characters don't even have love, Michael Myers for example, he doesn't even care about loving another being, but all in all, it's okay to believe what you want to but the culture of sexuality should not be pushed or forced, keep it to yourself, a different sexuality does not mean a different person.

  • AshleyWB
    AshleyWB Member Posts: 4,061

    What if there were no Survivor with a dark skin tone? I doubt you would use the argument of "just imagine them as having a dark skin tone" I don't understand the logic behind how making a character gay is wrong. Or why such a small addition in the characters bio is so worthy of a wall of 'nope' from some of you.

    Just because you might not like it that the association is made with say Dwight and him being homosexual doesn't mean anything.

    I don't believe Dwight's eyesight is very good so I wear the headpieces which don't have glasses but I imagine him wearing glasses.

    What if Huntress was from the red lagoon instead of the red forest, you wouldn't have the same level of outrage by that and those are bigger changes/additions to the lore.

  • Yung_Slug
    Yung_Slug Member Posts: 2,238

    There's nothing wrong with a character being gay. However, a lot of people have a problem with it being forced. If BHVR added a gay character in the next chapter, pretty much no one would be mad. However, if they suddenly go "oh, this guy's gay btw" that wouldn't seem very sincere.

    Creators have a vision and they bring that vision to reality. If they already brought their vision to life and they decide to change it or add to it in a way that wasn't even hinted at before (NOT because they genuinely think it would suit their vision, but to appease a group of people), that would just scream "Hey, look how inclusive we are! give us your approval/money!"

    I'll be perfectly fine with it if they add a new interesting character who happens to not be heterosexual as long as they don't make a huge deal out of it. However, if they suddenly decide to add a detail like that to a character they made a long time ago, I might question their intentions. I wouldn't rage about it if they said David was gay, since I don't think it was confirmed either way, but I would still find it questionable.

    Also, your first point doesn't work well in this situation. Not every detail is left to the imagination, but some are. A character's skin tone is usually obvious and undeniable. Unless confirmed otherwise, however, you cannot determine a character's inner traits. A character's sexuality, therefore, can be interpreted in any way unless it is confirmed to be a certain way by the creator(s). As another example, take Claudette. Unless I am mistaken, the college she attended was never specified. Therefore, you could imagine that she could have attended any real college that could fit her lore unless BHVR releases a cosmetic or new information that specifies her college.

  • PrincessPoop
    PrincessPoop Member Posts: 919
    edited October 2019

    Why is it every time the topic of LGBT characters comes up the word “forced” is used? Like the devs are being forced against their will or something.

    They’ve already stated that there is an LGBT character(s) in the game, they just haven’t revealed it. So *if* it were revealed in the future that an already existing character were in fact gay or bi or whatever, it’s not them “forcing” anything, it’s just revealing more about the character.

    EDIT: Now that I think about it, this is the EXACT same type of argument people tried using against The Last of Us, when Naughty Dog revealed that Ellie was gay. They said it was just pandering and that Ellie being gay was “forced propaganda” because it wasn’t revealed in the main game, but rather the expansion. Those arguments didn’t hold up then and they don’t hold up now. People can be gay and it’s not always apparent.

  • mistar_z
    mistar_z Member Posts: 857

    Yes.

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