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Making David King Homosexual
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Because again, NO PART of the lore says any of those male AREN'T gay.
It isn't other people "projecting being straight" on them, it's entirely up to you.
Being neither confirmed straight nor confirmed gay is the most accessible a character can be because it opens that character to everyone no matter how they see them. David already has a large gay fan base but he also has a heap of players who probably see him as straight.
Giving him, or any other character a sexuality doesn't magically make them a better person or suddenly make them likable one way or the other, it only serves to detract from the players who now no longer have that choice or as close an association to the character.
I'm saying this as a gay guy; people take the sexuality of imaginary characters far too seriously if you can't connect to characters because they don't have the words "he is gay" stamped on the forehead.
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Well to be fair, as one poster above us has already pointed out, there are in fact several characters in the game who do have confirmed sexualities (straight). Yes most of them are licensed but you do have original characters like Nurse and Wraith, and while it might be a small minority of the cast, it’s still there.
With that being said, I understand the desire to want a characters sexuality to remain ambiguous, as it allows you to project yourself onto them, but at the same time I think there’s nothing wrong with giving characters sexuality either.
And I’m not saying that there absolutely NEEDS to be a canonically gay character in the game, but on the off chance that BHVR did in fact reveal one of the characters to be gay, I would hope that this community wouldn’t lose their minds.
In the end of the day, it’s 100% up to BHVR what they want to do with their characters, and if sexuality is something they don’t want to focus too much on, that’s totally fine! On the other hand if they do decide to focus on it, (ya know since the archives are coming out it’s totally possible), that’s also totally fine!
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I don't think killers matter as much. Each is unique in their power so 99.99% of the time that's what they're picked for, not their sexuality.
Survivors are interchangeable, and one of the reasons they have no "passive bonuses" which are asked for so often is so that the player chooses the one that most resonates with themselves.
Choosing a feature to include which is as likely to alienate people as it is to create a draw to that character just seems bad to me.
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Are you as gay man alienated from playing straight characters? Because as a gay man myself I can tell you that I’m not. If you can’t connect to a character simply because they don’t share the same sexual orientation as you then I don’t know what to say.
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No, I'm not, but it's dumb to pretend that there aren't people who would be put off a character based on its sexuality.
"If you can’t connect to a character simply because they don’t share the same sexual orientation as you then I don’t know what to say." has been my whole point through this whole thread.
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Do you not see the contradiction you just made?
You agree with this:
"If you can’t connect to a character simply because they don’t share the same sexual orientation as you then I don’t know what to say."
But at the same time say this:
“We shouldn’t give characters sexuality because people will be put off by it”
So which is it?
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Both. People are saying that they can't connect to a character unless it's gay. I'm saying there are a lot more people who have issues with sexuality that would be put off by being gay.
If you can't deal with a character that isn't "gay" but isn't "not gay" either, that's just sad.
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You can’t agree with both because they are literally opposing statements.
But it’s very clear to me that you agree with the latter one, otherwise you wouldn’t care about people being potentially upset by a gay character.
Also like I said earlier, I think it’s totally fine if BHVR chooses to not focus on characters sexuality. Totally up to them! But if they do choose to focus on it that’s also totally fine! And if people really get upset by that, that’s on them. 🤷🏻♂️
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I hate to say it @LastResort554 , but David King’s non-existent sexuality should stay exactly the way it is. Behaviour Interactive is a company, and a company must make smart business choices. Declaring David King a homosexual man has several negative consequences that outweigh any gains such a decision might have.
I.) Declaring David King’s sexuality will create a divide with people who play him.
- Right now, people of all sexualities play David King. They can all also interpret his lack of an official sexuality anyway they like. This lets all of the David King fans be content with the character and any cosmetics they have purchased for him.
- If David King is given just one specific sexuality this creates two problems:
- People who play David King and are not his new official sexuality could very easily be upset by the change to say the least.
- These new upset individuals could also then target individuals of the new sexuality. “, If you <insert slur here> hadn’t whined so much my boy would still be <insert sexuality here>!”
- So in order to ensure the maximum number of future David King cosmetic sales as well ensuring a relatively small amount of unrest regarding David King (We’re Gonna Live Forever abusers already draw hate to him).
II.) “, It would mean the world to us if we could just have one character who we can say "this game shows us pride, respect and love.” Might not be so true.
- You claim that having David King’s sexuality officially declared as homosexual would make the LGBTQ community happy, however this might not be so.
- David King is a survivor, this means that he is routinely attacked and killed thousands of times everyday.
- I’d argue the LGBTQ community might not like their representation in Dead by Daylight to be an eternal murder victim.
- I’d argue that some LGBTQ people might not find it very “respectful” if their “representation” is a person who is already held in a negative view by the community.
- David King’s Teachable perks have attracted a lot of attention over the years.
- Survivors complain about We’re Gonna Live Forever users farming them off of hooks.
- Killers constantly complain about Dead Hard being another “extra chance perk” that survivors abuse at high ranks (by stacking 4 extra chance perks together to be absurdly difficult to kill.
- The majority of the community views No Mither as a joke perk and as such refuse to take it or people running it seriously.
- Additionally, David King’s cosmetics are quite popular as well
- The “Shirtless David” cosmetic was first just a viral meme until it finally happened. Though it was still regarded as a meme.
- Given all of the above reasons, David King is seen by some as a joke character.
- I am not too certain that the LGBTQ community would enjoy their “representation” being on a character that is in general seen as a joke (Shirtless David memes, No Mither memes) or a jerk (Dead Hard dependent casual, WGLF hook farmer) in addition to my earlier statement of him being an eternal murder victim.
- Additionally, the recent media has been known to twist information and nitpick details.
- If David King was made a homosexual character news organisations might use his eternal victim status (as a survivor) to sling mud at BHVR interactive.
- Alternatively, the media could just report on the massive outrage that would come from some of the non-homosexual David mains and use that information to bad mouth the Dead by Daylight community (which isn’t too hard already, tbh.)
I understand that you want representation @LastResort554 , but there’s just too much risk for BHVR if they made such a change to David King’s lore. Besides, you stated: “When I play survivor, I only play David King, because for some reason he resonances with my heart and soul . . . I even have his rose tattooed on my neck. . . “ You clearly already like David King now, so I fail to see why not adding a cherry on top would ruin your sundae. I know you might want David King to be made officially gay, but it’s just not in BHVR’s best interests to do so at this time.
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Steve and Nancy aren't original characters m8, talk to Duffer bros.
As for sexuality, no original character has a confirmed sexuality, so why bother? It's better like this, you can think of David as a gay dude, I can think of David as a str8 dude, we are all happy.
As for diversity, we still don't have an asian male character so imo that must be the priority for now.
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Isn't Jake asian?
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Wut?
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Why do we need sexuality explored in a game as this?
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I believe he's Korean, considering his last name is a common Korean surname, but his specific ethnicity hasn't been confirmed iirc
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Not true, we have both Nurse and Wraith who are straight. Plus all the licensed characters. Go read Ash’s lore and see just how much it’s mentioned.
And besides I don’t understand why people are so opposed to giving fictional characters sexuality? Like it’s fine if they don’t, but what exactly is the problem if they do?
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1. I specifically ruled out the licensed characters by saying "no original character". Bhvr don't have control over them or their sexuality.
2. Until it is shown in-game that the Nurse and Wraith are actually together (and I doubt it will ever be), I call bs, they just JK Rowling-ed us, besides it also sounds dumb, yeah an undead killer brought by the Entity to kill people also has a relationship with another character in the spare time, in what mainstream horror franchise have you seen that? Imagine Myers being in love with Huntress, yeah right.
3. Why are people opposed to giving fictional characters sexuality? I'm honestly not, but left ambigous like that, a character can be whatever the player wants to be. Like I've said, if the OP wants David to be gay, he can be gay, if I want David to be str8, he can be str8. Besides, it's the horror genre, why do people care so much about sexuality anyway?
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1) Why does it matter if they are licensed or not? If people are so opposed to sexuality existing in this game, then they should be opposed to these characters as well. If anything, the inclusion of licensed characters with defined sexuality shows that it’s not a big deal and can just be a small detail to make the characters more interesting and fleshed out.
2) Umm it is actually explicitly stated in game. Go read Nurses lore. Before she was taken by the entitiy, she had a husband named Andrew and wanted to have kids one day in the house they built together. Sounds pretty confirmed to me. As for the wraith, the description for his costume states that he and the Nurse are together to comfort each other in the world of the entity. No one is being “JK-Rowling-Ed” here, it’s literally been this way since the beginning. (Also there are a ton of horror themed movies where two psycho killers are in love)
3) I understand the desire to leave it ambiguous, so as to allow the player to imagine the character how they want, but there’s nothing wrong with making it explicit either (which they already have with the characters mentioned above). After all these are not your characters, they belong to BHVR, and if they choose to leave it ambiguous, that’s fine and totally up to them! On the other hand, if they do choose to explore that part of a character, it’s also totally fine and up to them! And you as the player have no right to be upset over it because they are not your characters.
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Also just because YOU want him to be gay and YOU relate to him doesn't mean he should be gay. In a game such as dbd there is no need for sexuality other than the fandom where the "shipping side" is mostly made up of tumblrinas who want everyone and everything to be gay.
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Just imagine that David is gay :)🎃
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Is nice that people relate to a fictional character n all, but in the game i feel the devs etc aren't too concentrated on anyones sexuality, we can allmake up our minds and wonder if one is etc, but it's just a game after all and here to survive, i don't think or feel anything like sexuality etc needs to be introduced into this game.Nice tattoo n all but nah sorry, we don't need too much in depth of such.
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The Archives are all about fleshing out character's backstories to make them more interesting. Sexual orientations are just one facet of any character... If David is gay, that could explain why he's constantly getting into fights (overcompensating for his insecurity, worried someone with think he's not manly) or something like that. There's a lot of opportunity for quality storytelling.
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I guess you'll just have to wait for David Kind to appear on the Archives.
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I’m really hoping they explore more than two characters per tome, otherwise it could be YEARS before we get lore for some characters.... I doubt I would even still be playing this in a couple years lol.
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1. It matters, because BHVR is not responsible with their sexuality, lol, BHVR can't come now and say that Ash is gay because it is not their character to decide his sexuality.
2. Even if I didn't read her lore, go figure she is from the World Wars, no wonder she is straight. The outfits don't mean Jack for me, a Hag in an Orient Express doesn't make sense either and it is not related to her lore.
3. Can you name me some? Cuz none of the DbD killers have a loved one. (Can't talk about Bubba since I haven't seen his movies). I can tell you the same if they don't give a sexuality to their characters, so what's your point? I'm won't be upset, but by my standards, David doesn't look or act gay. Revealing their sexuality won't move the lore forward in any way, so what I'm telling you is that there is no need for this. You can always play Doki Doki tho.
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I feel as if this added into his lore is unneeded, but maybe an upcoming survivor could be in the LGBT?
I just feel already established characters shouldn't be pushed into the LGBT realm.
So maybe someone could make an LGBT character concept, But other than that lore wise, no one established should be pushed into that realm.
That's my thoughts on the matter.
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