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Are Moris getting nerfed now as well ?
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Now that the last good item for survivor is gone are Moris getting nerfed or removed ?
Seems like the game and devs are favoring killers more and more these days.
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in what way is nerfing nurse part of favoring killers?
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(Keys)
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"Devs favoring killers"
I had a good laugh reading this
Thank you
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Would like for that to happen honestly
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they should get reworked/nerfed
and be aware killermains from this forum will jump on you for that statement (because for most of them its their 1st multiplayer game and pressing ctrl is worst thing that can happen, its not like in LoL you can dab after kill, its not like in BRs you dance and dab on someones deathcam)
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Devs favor survivors so much. That's why 99% of the "que times are sooo long" threads are killer players saying not enough survivors.
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I don't know how nurse being nerfed is BHVR favoring killers.
I do still hope that they still take a good look at moris.
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"its not like in BRs you dance and dab on someones deathcam"
That's a weird way to spell team fortress 2...😂
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I've never had an issue with either moris on Instaheals.
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And here i thought ebony moris are supposed to counter ds?
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I mean since their reasoning for removing insta heals was that it required no skill to use and was too powerful, moris also must be changed.
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Hopefully Moris (and Keys) get nerfed soon as well.
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I am well aware of the hate and vitrol and sarcasm the killer mains on this forum are utilizing to keep their perks buffed and survivors nerfed.
But i have a hope that the devs are able to adjust Moris now that survivors got even weaker.
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I'll happily send both hatch-opening keys and ebony moris to the shadow realm together, honestly. While making the yellow mori baseline just for fun.
Hey now, you don't dab in the killcams in TF2. You do however laugh, conga, square dance, wave, salute... 😄
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You can make customs taunts. You can totally dab
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Keys need a Nerf, no idea how.
Mori's need a Nerf, probably work after second hook.
Huntress irredisant hatchet, make it so it can't be combo'd to have more than 1 hatchet.
Spirits add-on that loses her phasing sound needs a Nerf.
I think that's the majority of it.
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The devs dont favor either side...
but i do hope they look into moris
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hahaha, classic jeyers. good one
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Moris, insta heals and keys have no place in this game.
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Killer main. Yeah ebony moris are bs. Completely and totally. Rework them and keys opening the hatch and the game will be a lot better.
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honestly if they changed the ebony mori to after 2 hooks I wouldn't mind at all , leave the others since they are 1 shot and done . Yes I am a killer main , and I still wouldn't mind it , why because you get more bp's for 2 hooks and killing then killing after one hook .
One of the worst things for a killer is getting only one hook out of a survivor , at least bp wise . I can go in with a ebony and kill all 4 survivors on a short game and depip (have done it before) now I try to only use it after a second hook unless its a tbagging troll then I might after the first just so I dont have to deal with them ...
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Keys and moris are identical. They cut play in half for either side and they both suck. I'm assuming you never play killer because key escapes happen way more often than 1/500. I get more key escapes against me then I get ebony moris played against me as survivor by at least 2 to 1.
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Why are you being so rude? You realize that not all Killers are like that? You also realize there are people on survivor side that act the same to Killers? Please stop generalizing.
The Devs are on THE GAME'S side. Not Killer or Survivor.
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Hopefully. Moris definitely need a rework/nerf because right now they encourage and reward the worst type of playstyle for killers and generally make the game easy mode.
And while I don’t think keys are quite as strong as moris are, I wouldn’t mind if they got a slight rework/nerf as well. They can be a little OP with SWF groups.
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Oh also remember that not everything can be fixed at once.
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I've never ever seen a Killer fret about losing BPs when they offer an Ebony Mori.
Killers that Mori after the 1st hook certainly don't care about BPs.
Ebony Moris truly need to be reworked so that they require two hooks per survivor and potentially a number of hooks to prevent tunneling. Requiring 5 hooked survivors seems completely fair as it requires at least 3 different Survivors to be hooked.
And if there were 1 or more DCs, boo-hoo... the game is moot anyway.
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I use ebony so im not limited to last or first person when I have a kill by your own hand , and like I say , I play for bp's more then anything . Though I will say that ebony seems to be on the bloodwebs way to often , my nurse is only like level 43 and she has 20+ ebonies and that seems to be about average that ill see 1 in a average of 1.5-2 bloodwebs . I have actually seen 3 in a single web back to back before .
Edit : also in my method the person would be dead hooked or mori , if they have been hooked twice already . This would leave the game to be played at its fullest reguradless if they died to a hook or mori .
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Moris and keys should probably be reworked alongside each other, both pretty equally unfairly end the game early for one side with little to no counterplay.
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Why would you ask this when nothing has been mentioned by dev's? Is this just random conjecture?
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Tic Tac Toe is fair too. It's linear from beginning to end. None of us want to play it. Mori's and Keys are wrenches in the linear gameplay.
Everything doesn't need a hard counter to be acceptable.
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You are getting so many ebonies because nurse has no ultra rare perks to take up those spots, most killers don't get that many
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Unpopular opinion, from what I've seen, but I wish they hadn't touched instaheals and I hope they don't touch moris. The reason being Dead By Daylight is not a competitive game in the sense that there is no disadvantage to losing every once in a while. So for me, I don't really care if something is balanced if it's fun, and there's something really fun about how absurdly overpowered things like moris, keys and instaheals are. It's so ridiculous it's hilarious. To me, removing them feels like taking something away from the character of the game, and that's a loss.
But I understand that that's not most people's experience, so I get why most feel that balance ought to be the ultimate goal.
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Nurse just got a nerf (something survivors have been BEGGING for, for 3 years now) I think that is a fair trade for Insta Heal.
Besides how would you nerf moris? In fact most good killers don't use them. Using a mori cheats you out of Bloodpoints. I only use moris when it's for a daily or when a new killer is released to see how they look.
And aren't moris tied to an achievement? How would you "nerf" the mori without making the achievement impossible to achieve?
Just some thoughts off the top. Also be REALLY honest how many times a week do you get mori'd if it's more than once or twice I'd be surprised.
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not really moris are great and killers have so many nerfs i think tbh they should get some more buffs
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I guess balance is important just because it's not fun when something unfair happens like insta-heals or mori's etc
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I sort of get that, but it depends on how you define unfair. Asymmetrical games are unfair almost by definition, so whether or not something 'feels' unfair depends, I think, largely on perspective. Most of the time those things don't bother me too much to be on the other side of, because I consider the absurdity of it to be all part of the fun. Which is not to say I don't have more fun with an ordinary, well-matched game most of the time, but occasionally I think things like keys and moris and instas can add a bit of flavour to the game.
I guess the best way to describe it is that I have a similar affection for OP addons in DBD to that which many players hold for ridiculous-looking bugs in Skyrim. Would Skyrim be an objectively better-designed and more polished game if you didn't fly into the stratosphere when hit by a giant? Sure, but you would lose something of the game's character by removing that bug. It's not a perfect comparison, but that's more or less how I feel about instas, moris and keys in DBD, and why I consider it a net loss for them be be heavily nerfed or removed.
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As a killer main, I approve of nerfing moris, but don't remove them outright. I need to see hag gut a survivor from time to time. An Idea just came up in my mind while typing to make Moris the End game screen. Just wanted to throw that out there.
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Should nerf Myers tombstone as well right
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cough keys cough
yeah your right. survivors have no strong items left.
nope.
not at all.
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Them working after second hook would be pointless. They are dead on 3rd hook anyway. There would be no purpose to it.
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I play about 70/30 favoring killer and agree Mori's should be looked at. At least the ebony one. Can't tell you how many times I've lost/won games where I didn't deserve the win or the killer played like crap but still got us.
It seems kind of hard to balance them though. The only thing I could think for ebony balance is make it so everyone has to be hooked at least once before you can start the mori process. That makes it still strong but requires a little bit more work from the killer and stops them from tunnel mori-ing people unless you're the last guy hooked.
You could also put it on a cooldown or timer. So like, you can't mori someone who was recently unhooked, say 60 seconds. You could also have it for the ebony; you have to wait 2 minutes between mori's.
Idk, they seem hard to balance without gutting them or just pissing people off.
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Here is what they should do with moris (not my idea btw saw it on another post). They should make it so you can only mori once every survivor has been hooked once
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The devs do not favor either side.
Both sides are receiving balance updates to make the game better as a whole. Although we might individually disagree with the direction they are taking the game at times, they are making changes based on data from match statistics as well as player feedback.
I know it looks like they are tonedeaf devs who have no idea what they are doing most of the time, but in truth they are taking the steps they deem best based on actual play feedback and stats. The changes they make work for the most part, even if it looks really bad to half of us -- because half of us are playing killers and the other half survivors (with a small intersect of those who regularly play both). Changes that affect one group will invariably annoy that group, but that's how balancing goes in asymmetrical games.
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I agree 1000%
Thank you for putting it so well.
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That, and Insta heals are still super strong, just not blatantly op.
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This is actually a respectable opinion, and something I can wrap my head around, but the truth is it feels bad whenever I get mori'd within a minute of the match starting.
I know I can just move on to the next game, but it still makes me feel worse than it should.
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They probably don't wanna outright remove Moris since a lot goes into those animations.
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The mori offerings should be removed and being able to mori a survivor when they're dead on hook should be base kit.
There, fixed.
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The difference is Skyrim is a solo game, when things are game-breakingly strong there's nobody on the other side having their game ruined by it.
Especially once you get to higher ranks where nearly every game has an insta heal, it isn't "fun" to have something OP on a rare occasion, it's just the norm that there's always something oppressive to play against.
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I will gladly trade moris for the removal of SWF :)
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