Plague is the new Legion
Don't get me wrong, she's nowhere near as busted as moon-walking legions were or prayer bead Spirits are now. She's just not fun.
Just by being in the game and being herself, she cancels out Every heal perk and most stealth perks in the game. Most of which are commonly taken in to trials. Which is frustrating on its own. But as a solo player, she's an entire other level of annoying.
There's no communication between teammates. I know there's still a bunch of back and forth in strategy on cleanse vs don't cleanse but there's no consensus when it comes to playing solo without talking together. And alls what it takes is one person to go against it and it throws the whole strategy off. At least with SWF you can choose your strategy on how you handle things and if things don't work out it doesn't work out.
If I were to fix it...Tbh It should work a lot like Freddys generator power. It should charge up incredibly slowly (or even not at all) at base but have a faster charge for every player infected. Infection now has a timer that runs out. If you weren't fully sick you will return healthy but if you were you will still be injured.
Cleansing stops the plague from charging off you but puts half the time you had left into charge as you're putting your sickness into the fountain. That means it's in your best interest to cleanse as quick as possible to get your health back as well as stopping the killer from getting double charge off of you over time. And it's in the plagues best interest to keep everyone as sick as possible. The fountain remains pure even after use.
Pallets, gens, and infected players, will still be contaminated but it will only raise your sickness while you are interacting with the object. Saves and pallets will give you a little more to make them fair as you only touch them for a moment and it would be kinda bad for the killer to give you Zero penalty for using it.
When the bar is full, all fountains turn into corrupt ones during the duration of corrupt purge and she automatically gains the corrupt purge without going to a fountain, and the cycle repeats.
Maybe it can be put on a button trigger to make it more skillful but it would have to have a small charge animation so you don't instantly down the survivor with a range attack and give them some sort of chance.
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Never thought I'd see someone complain about the plague. Let's nerf her and that breast of a killer leatherface too.
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Never said nerf. She's nowhere near op. Legion wasn't either unless they were exploiting. She's just unfun. Spirit matches excluding those using prayer beads are better imo and Spirit is a much stronger killer.
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Spirit is the new Legion with how often she is complained about and having little counterplay
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The end is near... WE'RE ALL GONNA GET NERFED.
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Who would have guessed wanting to let her power charge faster while also letting her go into a corrupt purge mid chase without taking a stop at a fountain and not letting her power be held hostage by survivors not cleansing is a nerf?
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If you change something on a killer they will end up getting nerfed to the ground because they actually become somewhat viable. Keep the buffs quiet I say.
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Welp, guess Plague's gonna get nerfed soon with all this complaining about her. You can suggest buffs all you want, but devs rarely if ever actually look at player feedback beyond "we like this" "we don't like that", take Nurse for example. Most everyone agreed her base was fine, addons needed changing. Instead they neuter her addons and ######### with her base.
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Found the person who drops pallets and then runs away from a obviously phasing Spirit, leaving scratch marks everywhere, doesn't vault and then complains about "NO COUNTERPLAY" when they get inevitably hit.
Thanks for also confirming the "no counterplay" complaints are stupid as well by comparing Spirit to Legion. Legion had counterplay, which MANY people repeatedly told y'all. You Survivor mains didn't listen.
There is quite a few things you can do against Spirit. Iron Will helps, but there are mindgames involving pallets. Moving in odd directions, vaulting pallets and fast vaults when you predict the Spirit's movements is another.
A few of her add-ons need tweaking, but prayer beads need to stay for that achievo/trophy involving gen grabs. She's definitely skilled and not "luck-based".
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"She's not fun" because you can't deal with her. I understand. (honstley, not)
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Poison, what does it mean to get jailed?
Seriously, I don't know what it means, nor do I know how it happens.
You can make complaints about how groans of pain get you hit by Spirit, but pallets and vaults exist. Plus Iron Will.
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Lmao really? I play killer 90% of the time.... I'm far from a survivor main. Certain playstyles that Legion had did not have much counterplay. If you deny that then whatever. More your problem than mine.
As for Spirit, survivors do not like and have a difficult time versing Spirit as there is very little feedback with her power. There are counters and I've written a small novella of said counters but that doesn't mean they are reliable. I mained Spirit since she was released until about a few weeks ago when I realised that I hardly ever got less than a 4k unless the last one found hatch. I also realised that survivors really do hate going against her and all the complaints weren't just venting/hot air.
Now I play a lot of Ghostface and do very well with him too.
I want the survivors to have fun too (as long as they aren't dick heads).
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As a Legion main:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
As a DBD player: Man, just play the game. Stop coming here to whine about things that don't need changing.
As someone interested in balance: Your "Change" would destroy Plague utterly and with no upside. You would "Legion" her, to use the term the community uses.
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I do wanna point out alot of the good buffs Devs have done cause of community feedback.
Freddy, for example.
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And i would also like to point out how long did it take for freddy to be reworked and or buffed? You indeed have a valid point but if it takes years for a freddy level buff to happen. Sit back for a long wait.
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Once again:
Legion.
I'm passionate bout Legion cause they are the SOLE reason I came back to DBD after 2016-17. Then they got cratered.... then forgotten about. I still main them and am VERY active in trying to get them a buff/rework. It's been a long time for The Legion too. But gotta keep that faith alive.
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"Certain playstyles that Legion had did not have much counterplay."
Oh, you mean "tunneled via Frenzy"? Buddy, that was a trash strategy. Sure, it MIGHT get the Survivor downed, but it took so damn long that gens would get popped. Legions were discouraged from doing it as a result.
And if you're going to do the even more stupid "YoU CaN'T EsCaPe FrEnZy" whenever someone got hit and you were revealed via Killer Instinct... because y'all didn't know how to ######### RUN IN STRAIGHT LINES... or run ANY exhaustion perk.
Legion's power was absolutely useless if Survivors scrammed. It was easy to outrun.
Deep Wound tunneling, trapping someone in Deep Wound and then downing them with a hit when they couldn't move, and moonwalking are some of the only valid complaints. Plus the blade exploit. The way the devs handled this was absolutely awful and made Frenzy a non-existent threat.
"As for Spirit, survivors do not like and have a difficult time versing Spirit as there is very little feedback with her power."
Because you're stupid and don't actually watch the damn Spirit you're going up against whenever she does chases.
Bad to average Spirits tend to move in predictable ways, and not being able to see Spirit when she's vaulting is the STUPIDEST complaint imaginable. If Spirit does not appear after a few seconds, she is most likely phasing. Simple.
"There are counters and I've written a small novella of said counters but that doesn't mean they are reliable."
And they shouldn't. Because then elite Survivors will always go for that safe tactic and be able to loop Killers for multiple gens.
I have a proposition: I'll let Survivors nerf Spirit and Nurse... in exchange for gen times, looping and genrushing being nerfed. Sound fair?
If you don't agree with this, then Spirit stays. Period. You don't get to ruin the game for one side while keeping your side fun.
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@UlvenDagoth I request a link to that topic you made defending Legion. :>
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Why are you being so confrontational and personal? There's no need to attack me. I've laid out my arguement against your post and that's that. If you disagree then so be it but there is no need to be devisive and insulting.
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I would also like to point out that @Kabu has given really good ideas for Legion reworks. Kabu isnt against Legion at all.
There is never a reason to make things personal. I think you need some time to breathe.
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Not sure if everyone agreed that her base is fine and the addons need rework. I know about omega blink, but that's it. Most opinions I heard was, a good nurse plays without addons and the best don't even need perks.
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Hm, i like to play against her and to escape is easy, at least for me. just train your movement skills - i never felt like that she's overpowered. i like her like she is - no matter if i play as , or against her.
ghostface is much more annoying, but still, fun to play against him ;) that's the good thing to have multiple killers - you have to learn how to avoid them. would be less fun, if every killer is as easy as the others. i like the challenge.
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the plague takes 5 seconds or less to make you 1 shot aka devour hope/noed on steroids. her red puke is simply huntress hatchets on steroids that involves less skill to pull off even though the huntress hatchet hotboxes are the size of beach balls. she has pink addons that show your aura for 6 seconds every time you puke and this includes the instant you puke after being unhooked.
anyone who doesn't see a skilled red rank plague as a very strong and annoying killer will just say her map presence sucks and thats all they'll have that will sound valid, honestly.
the main point is. you can't get away from her power in any way, shape or form. you cleanse, youre #########. you dont cleanse, youre #########. people wonder why gen rushing gets worse and stealthy gameplay becomes more meta.
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I mean, at least you are trying to sound correct.
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if im only trying then tell me where im wrong :P
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Alright. Well, first of all Vile purge (unless she chases you down and pukes on you constantly) takes more than 5 seconds to get you to "Broken". You can then cleanse to get full health back. I'd suggest only doing that on the other end of the map or with a coordinated team.
If you chose to NOT cleanse you can easily loop her, and her "Red Puke" (Corrupt Purge) can be removed with a pallet stun. She can only get her Corrupt Purge if you cleanse or she brings a certain Add-ons. (Both Apple add-ons make one pool start corrupted but she still has to go get it. Iridescent Seal gives it to her for a very short time when Gens are completed)
Black Incense is the add-on that makes your aura show up when you puke, 5 seconds, and is an ultra rare. If you suspect Plague (Adiris) has this, you should Prolly cleanse.
Next, I can tell you havn't tried to USE her power, as the puke is oddly hard to aim. It is... for lack of a better term, Chunky. It doesn't follow an exact arch and it very different than the other projectiles in the game. If you don't cleanse, and she doesn't have those add-ons (which she prolly won't) you will NEVER have to worry about Corrupt Purge.
She is easily loopable, and without certain add-ons or you cleansing, she is just an M1 Killer that can puke on you.
For more info, I will give you both this
and this:
Thank you for your time.
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She doesn't counter stealth perks if you heal.
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Nice dodge. Thanks for letting me know you're a waste of time to argue with.
"Why are you being so confrontational and personal?"
I'm gonna be honest; I mistook you for that other person in this thread "DukeJukem".
But let's be real here, you're doing the exact same thing.
"Lmao really? I play killer 90% of the time.... I'm far from a survivor main. Certain playstyles that Legion had did not have much counterplay. If you deny that then whatever. More your problem than mine."
This was in the comment I responded to. You're being... what's the phrase... passive-aggressive at minimum with that last bit.
"There's no need to attack me. I've laid out my arguement against your post and that's that."
I responded to you, you passive-aggressive moron. I even destroyed all of your entire arguments. Did you just look for the "stupid" part, latch onto that and then write your response?
I absolutely HATE talking with people like you. You think you can talk trash and then not get it in return. You think you automatically deserve respect when being responded to when you be passive-aggressive.
And you didn't answer my proposition, so I guess Spirit stays then. So long as Survivors wish to genrush and always loop the Killer, Killers like Spirit must stay. Simple.
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Alls what it takes is one person cleansing to completely screw up the team. As a solo player most of the time this is completely frustrating for me. And because most people decide not to cleanse at first, anyone who hasn't or just hasn't had time can now get one shot by a projectile because of crummy teammates.
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I do not need nor care for the respect of some random internet stranger. Especially one such as yourself with how you have responded to my posts. Also, I was not passive aggressive towards you at all. It was funny that you were assuming my preferences leans towards survivor. Assuming even though I stated I want everyone to have fun as we deserve to. I laughed at this assumption as it was novel then corrected you.
Now for who was in the wrong. YOU were immediately insulting with your first response and continued to be thereafter and have proven yourself to be someone not worth talking to if this is the result. I was not rude to you. I have nothing to prove to you. I don't respond to ultimatums. Especially when I am not at all involved with whether or not aspects of the game are changed. Nor do you get to decide what does and does not happen to the game. Doesn't matter if you think you have "proven" your point. All you've proven is how confrontational and rude you are. Goodbye
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Dude, you need to chill.
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My advice? One person cleanses, EVERYONE SHOULD CLEANSE.
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