Why does everyone keep asking the wrong question when it comes to Spirit?

Sure you can. Just watch the video.

And you'd only need to verify the Spirit's skill level anyway, since the Survivor just needs to preform whatever counterplay is being demonstrated and it doesn't matter how much skill is required to do so. You only care about the Spirit since improper counters would work against bad Spirits.

In other words if the Spirit does everything they can to improve their odds and is still counterplayed anyways then that should be solid proof. This can be determined retroactively and it is better to do so since that way you can catch mistakes that are hard to notice in real time.

dont worry bro lol no matter what you say, they have convinced themselves thats shes op and ultimately the devs will cave in and nerf her, then it will be onto the next killer that requires skill to go against and the cycle will continue. Dont even waist your breath lol

Remember, this game is about the survivors enjoying themselves. Not the killer ;)

So, if I go against a rank 20 spirit and do some stupid play on them, does that count as a counter play to spirit? No it doesn't.

There are just too many variables, what if the killer or survivor is inexperienced or bad?

sigh lol im just shaking my head

I’m down for them to add some form of a read when she’s phasing, like a ghost popping in and out of view. Be kinda creepy but also add some counterplay.

But nerfing is out of the question.

already did and im still inclined to disagree or rather i need more clarification on how you're defining "interaction" with the killer.

The spirit was (by design) supposed to be a killer that was unpredictable and the queen of mind games. Its high level play for the survivors. You have to be in her head and predict what you think SHE will predict you'll do, and do the opposite. That time where you're trying to anticipate where shes phasing or when shes phasing is interaction right there. You are trying to outsmart each other.

But thats just me

but we do have chances.

iron will (making it harder to follow sound)

spine chill (to see her coming to prevent gen grabs and if your in line of sight of her phase)

quick and quiet (So she cant tell if you vaulted a window or went into a locker)

fixated (create scratch marks one way, then walk fast in the opposite direction to confuse her)

dance with me (after vaulting she has no marks to follow) *pair this with quick and quiet and iron will and shes not finding you)

Giving the survivor any information about Spirit's power completely removes the mindgame(Guessing part) of her power. A common complaint for spirit is that spirit has "no mindgame" Implying that there is absolutely nothing you can do against her power and yet, not every chase with spirit has same length. Another irony is how some survivor say "Standing still is not mind game" and yet I've seen some players suggest that spirit should have no collision such that. Standing still for survivor becomes a mind game. you can move slightly outward to a loop such that she fails to collide with you. If spirit became an easy to read killer, she's 110% ms killer with easy to outplay power. She would be doomed.

As for the buff, You can already reduce her cooldown of her power through add-on's. I believe a green add-on and some yellow add-on reduces it. Spirit used to have directional phasing in PTB, and the power was pretty bad, so no amount of cooldown reduction helps if the power isn't effective.

The way I see spirits power is that majority of the loops are extremely safe/survivor sided, like if there was scale of 1-10, there are loops that are like 6/10, 8/10, 9/10 and spirit changes all these imbalance loops into a 5/10. I rather live in a world where every loop is 5/10 50-50 then every loop extremely safe for good players. I know it's the usual survivor expectation to be able to stall a killer nearly indefinitely but I think killer who have powers that aid them in a chase should be able to end chases quicker in a fair way. I do wish her tracking ability was slightly harder to increase her skill-ceiling, but she is in good spot in majority of the cases.

spirit moves grass now unless they took that out in a recent patch

A mind game assumes that both player have lack of information. Spirit can't see the survivor and the survivor doesn't know where spirit is. In fact, that is where red glow mind games come from. Red glow gives away the position of the killer but if there is a wall and you can't see killer. You can hide your red glow, a survivor will need guess which direction you went. Unfortunately, A lot of the loops in the game can be played "Safely", for example at the shack, when approaching opposite entrance of the pallet spawn, you can play a red glow mindgame at the window, but the shack is also long wall and therefore can be played safely. The same can be said for Jungle gyms and many other tile sets. It is nice to force early pallet drops, however they do not net you the win. If the survivors are optimal at the objective, there may not be many pallets left, however the match is over and you have lost.

The beauty behind Spirit is that even when majority of the pallets are dropped, The majority pallet are still unsafe against spirit's power. Another common response to a killer trying to mind game a loop is running away from current loop in certain instances, however spirit can track scratch marks and she is a lot faster at moving then the survivor is. The end result is that a survivor is forced to make reads and inquire risk at some point. If the survivor receives adequate and enough information then they will be able to make the correct decision every time. If it's too little information than it won't make a difference. I understand that she's difficult to play against and beat, but I think all the killer should be difficult to beat. Being difficult to beat seems to have correlation between having fun or not. I think the whole point of the game is to conquest the challenge.

Spirit doesn't move the grass now. Don't even remember if she ever did .

So this topic changed a little bit but heres my experience going against a spirit.

Since she got released iron will is practically build into my build which make me last in chases about 10 sec longer if i break the LOS by walking and then running away. Only by just assuming the killer is there (especially if shes using prayer beads). Im not having the greatest fun in this situation because i dont know if shes chasing me, have i lost her, is she going to the guys on the gens bc she has discordance? I dont know.

As for the footsteps, sure i can hear them but only if she walks by and it catches me off guard. I cannot hear her while the chase music is blasting,plus im injured (add some stridor and imagine), a gen is over 80% and im trying to loop her while shes phasing. I cant hear the footsteps so how should i counter her moving? (Stand still and throw a pebble lul)

Im not whining about going against her. Im frustrated that it is all a guessing game (where is she, do i have her attention).

I dont want to see her change. I just want to see her. The eyes would be enough! Just brainstorming here but give me floating spirit eyes. Or give her the entity block spikes at her feet when shes phasing.

I actually thing you are right.

Making her footstep louder ( at least MM level ), moving grass or even why not leaving a little "mirage" behind her when she is phasing like cloacked Wraith, something barely visible but still enough to position her ?

Spirit doesnt move grass in a certain radius of her husk... the radius was tiny like 4 or 6 meters on the ptb and then they increased it, inside this radius survivors cant hear her footsteps, spirit doesnt move grass, nor will they hear her moans etc.. .. outside of that radius footsteps are heard, grass is moved etc....

This has already been proven to be bad... she had tell tales in the ptb, her husk sparkled while in phase, she had directional audio, you could hear her footsteps and more... it got to the point where no one wanted to play her on the ptb because she was soo bad.... if I remember correctly bhvr spent around 30k just making the spirit.

She does have tell tales there just subtle.... her glass shards glow while shes phasing... all the other killers are not blind to their opponents and their opponents can see them, therefore obvious telltales are neccessary.