Imagine using half of a killer's power because a streamer told you to do so
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Its far from horrible, although I would argue that the general build is good on a lot of killers. It slows the game down which is a big plus.
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The main problem with stalking is the amount of time you waste getting into position only to get broken out the survivors can spin their cameras 360 and it will give them the noise when they hover over you.
I main GhostFace and i can see how some people like stalking and some people dislike it completely me being one of them until behavior fixes the reveal mechanic i feel Its better to M1 and use his power for stealth vs exposing survivors.
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Why would I play Wraith like a worse Ghostface? If I wanted to play stealth, I'd play Ghostface.
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Ghostface can attack out of stealth immediately, which is way better than Wraith needing to shore up his weakness of having to wait until he fully uncloaks to attack. I don't need to find the correct spot to uncloak and hope that the opponents haven't bolted fast enough such that the speed boost doesn't matter. Plus, why would I ever use Sloppy Butcher as an add-on when I can use it as a perk? Almost no add-on that inflicts Mangled is worth using because Sloppy Butcher exists.
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All im hearing is a crybaby
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No, I did not play Wraith before his buff. I don't see why that matters, given that Wraith still struggles, even with green Windstorm as base kit.
Lol, why would I waste an add-on slot not improving Wraith's cloak?
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You have it backward. No Stalk Ghostface is a strictly better Wraith. And its complelty add-on independant. Night Shroud cooldown reduction help but is not even needed.
Ghostface is supposed to be all about the one shots. But it does not work against survivors whith... eyes really. It just doesn't. Every time i've tried to play Ghostface the intended way, I've only ever been able to stalk at the beginning of the game when the survivors are unaware of who they were facing. Once they realize its Ghostface they will be on their guard and won't let you stalk them.
Also stalking is very map dependant. There are some place where its just impossible to get a good angle to stalk without the survivor noticing you very easily. And then you add the wonky nature of the leaning mechanic wich make you waste even more time just because you apparently can't lean from that specific tree or corner for some reason.
No Stalk Ghostface does not care about any of this. He comes out of nowhere and hit you. And then he disappear. Rince and repeat untill all survivors are dead.
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Nah, base kit Wraith is bad. ;) But hey, you do you. Feel free to break pallets faster and then lose that gained distance when trying to uncloak. :P Meanwhile, Ghostface don't gotta spend time figuring out how to unstealth properly.
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I don't want to give up stealth when breaking pallets. :P
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So I'm using more add-ons to accomplish what perks already do? :P
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slow down builds in general are the builds that will currently shine.
Which btw, to play a proper slow down build you need to envision the end game, and try to plan the final 3 gens to give you the greatest advantage. The "s" tier killers are s tier because of map pressure, which allows them at R1 to be effective without using a slow down build or planning for the last gen.
Try legion with pgtw, ruin, thana, nc. Focus on gen defense and keeping everyone injured. Hook them when the opportunity arises, but only if multiple injuries abound or if ruin has gone down.
Try pig with pgtw, dl, thana, ruin. Again, gen defense and keep those rbt till ruin drops or they do the first gen (ignoring ruin). Play gen defense. You can run thana on pig with dl because the rbt keeps people from healing or doing gens.
try clown with DL, pgtw, ruin, thrilling tremors. Hook and bee line, keeping them injured isn't as important as getting hooks. In this case you need to stack DL before ruin pops if you can. TT is you can bee line after hook and use PGTW effectively.
These 3 are consider bottom tier killers but with slow down builds you do very well against all but the best. The key is you can't be afraid to break off the chase. You are playing the long game, zone defense.
Ruin is the common theme, mostly because its going to allow in, in the vast majority of games, to setup the other perks.
You don't have to play ruin of course, you can switch ruin out for another slow down perk. PGTW is the most effective. PGTW and TT is a good combo for slow down builds because it quickly helps you id the gen that you need to go to.
Perks like overcharge just aren't effective at R1 because survivors don't miss skill checks.
Thana is good but you can't tunnel if you run thana.
You an mix in BS, Enduring, SF, these are all good because zone defense works best if you force pallet drops in your zone.
Long games are good if you spread out the chases because you'll force pallet drops and eventually there will be no pallets left.
You can play any killer at rank 1 right now with a slow down build and generally find your self 1 or 2 pipping scoring 25 to 32k BP. I went from R8 killer to R1 playing exclusively legion with a slow down build.
I switched it up today with pig and clown and have had similar results.
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I take full advantage of Ghostface and Pigs stealth abilities and can honestly say that if used properly it’s better than not using it at all. Most players don’t even expect you to play Pig stealthy which helps even more.
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Don't really need Spirit Fury when I can just turn off the red stain mid-chase and either mindgame my foe from there or just move back to gen defense. :P
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On-command Beast of Prey. :P Especially when I can use Spirit Fury anyways for the pallet breaking benefit. I mean, you can try using Beast of Prey on Wraith and see how that works out.
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You don't have to, but the option is there.
Beast of Prey is horrible because you don't have any control over when it procs.
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And with Beast of Prey, you don't have any say over whether you have access to it in the areas where you can actually make use of the lack of a red stain. Plus, Beast of Prey also doesn't hide your TR. :P
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Survivors don't see Ghostfaces meter.
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First off, Wraith can be broken out of his power. It's called a flashlight.
Second, Wraith has a delay as he goes out of his power before he can attack. This is huge and gives survivors a precious window to avoid the sneak attack and find a safe spot.
Saying Ghost Face is a bad wraith is foolish and disingenuous.
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Typically I stalk at the beggining because survivors don't know who the killer is. After that they keep an eye out for you so what's the point? Also ya don't need nurses with him lol
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Don't worry, It will be like spirit, "Hes Overperforming", then they wonder why the face same killer every game. If only more killers had viability.
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I like that someone says everytime something bad if someone says positive thing about ghostface is viable without stalking, without any proof. Meanwhile tru3talent got 15 wins in a row with ghostface without stalking in red ranks in a stream live. How can you cherry picking live?
Imagine to be so ignorant to ignore even valid proof and badmouthing that person. Despite playing all the time in red ranks and wins a lot, he isnt a good killer and if he wins the survivor are just bad. Sure, that makes your argument surely valid.
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I got 33 wins in a row with speed limiter Leatherface live. He still sucks.
That being said Ghostface is way way better than Leatherface, but random games never prove anything.
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Can somebody please explain why would you do this with ghostface when wraith could do the same, but better in every aspect?
Tru3 living up to his meme status and mindless herd follows.
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Wrath has to uncloak before the hit, hardly better run every aspect. FYI he has run the same build on wrath and discussed the similarities but I’m sure you wouldn’t know that because you don’t watch.
Puppers also mentioned how strong the build is and even called it the “Tru build,” so instead of calling us sheep tell us why we should ignore gameplay and players I consider very knowledgeable and listen to you.
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ghostface stalking is unplayable thanks to dedicated servers and devs did nothing about it xD
stalking is useful btw xd
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To my understanding, he played 20 games in a row, using GhostFace, and never lost. That was streamed live, and he did get some decent Survivors this time.
The fact of the matter is, GhostFace's ability to turn off TR and Red Stain silently, makes him a better Wraith. His stalk is, usually, more trouble than its' worth.
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I will say this about the 20 game streak, I’ve watched Tru a lot and he’s good with killer so most likely he would have gotten very close to the same results with nearly any killer running this build so to say the stream proves GF worth is a bit of a stretch.
I think GF is very good, but I’m guessing he wouldn’t have lost with Nurse, spirit, Freddy, Billy maybe even wrath Myers and pig the way he played
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Wraiths addons are superior to ghostfaces in every aspect in such anti heal setup.
I used to watch True and Hexy in 2016-2017, but once I learned the game I understood why they are not as good as their view count in twitch / youtube indicate. I dont watch Puppers, but as Scott mentioned in this thread him 4k'ing 30 games in a row with LF doesnt make LF good, survivors were just bad.
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I'll agree to your nerf if you agree to my nerf; solo queue for killers!
Now we're both happy!
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Guess sarcasm is not for everyone
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He didn’t mention what ranks he was at with LF, for all we know it was a streak that took him from 15-5 for example plus we’re taking his word for all of this as opposed to games you can watch
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Nurse's calling, thanaphobia, dying light and ruin are all really good perks on a stealth only GF.
I personally want to be playing with more fun perks for both sides. Probably run corrupt intervention, surveillance,devour and noed. Full of surprises potentially. I'm all about surprises.
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There's a time and place for stalking in the anti-heal build. I typically 99% injured people and expose them similar to a tier 3 Myers hit out of stealth later on after they heal. The playstyles aren't mutually exclusive. No 2 games are the same. Stalking because "it's the correct way to play" at the expense of an M1 hit is silly, and not taking advantage of good stalking oportunities is equally silly.
Also, are people really out here saying Wraith does this build better? Lemme just ring my bell so you know you need to run or dead hard to a pallet.
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"...but thinking that his stalk mechanic is useless is laughable."
Is actually laughable. Have you tried to stalk every survivor without lost 1 or 2 gens? Did you know how easy is to break Ghostface out of his ability?
"Stalking can lead to map pressure if you use it correctly, unlike Tru3, who proceeds to call it bad while displaying poor usage of the ability, hence the build he calls "optimal".
Sorry, I have to laugh again. Pressure with STALK? If I remember, you can pressure the maps using good mobility. Something that Ghostface doesn't have it. Ghostface and 80% of the killers who aren't Spirit, Freddy, Nurse and Billy, right?
I'm sorry. You don't know NOTHING about Ghostface. He's a M1 killer (running in unbalanced maps with 5 gens getting done in 2 seconds) who need to focus in get approximation of survivors and that's all about it, you don't have time to stalk. In theory is pretty beautiful the way you talk but when you play, then you know how things works. The point of Tru3talent's build is hidding your terror radius and red stain to confuse survivors and made them waste their time healing. If you think that is very disappointing because no one is using stalk then don't blame Tru3talent who are actually trying to convence people to play with Ghostface (and if I remember, he's not trying to change anyone's point of view in whatever build is good or not). You should blame the own behaviour for making killers with powers who now has """"interaction"""" with survivors and good survivors will never let you use GF ability properly. I'm sorry but this is the worst review about someone who is actually doing well with Ghostface and make me and other people like him.
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A wrath that doesn't have to uncloak, so sorry to burst your bubble GF is still better.
He always says you NEED rare addons to make Wrath good so don't paint just half the story to pat yourself on the back.
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