Q&A #3 Survs got their way with 440+ bad reviews

Bloodlust needs to go. It promotes bad killer plays and requires you to learn less. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing killers aside from killers FOV and flashlights white screen giving me migraines. I hated using BL and I would instantly lose it if I ever reached tier III, because it meant for that I did not play optimally.

Yes, maps need adjusting still and I can prolly live with BL staying until then, but once maps get balanced, it needs to go.

Also when you're hooked, you're not doing anything. It makes perfect sense exhaustion cooldown would go down when you're hooked.

That bloodlust change i dont agree with. I like the idea of slower overall speed increases but that should mean bloodlust should proc faster. The original idea they had in mind was a good idea with the 12/24/36 sec for each tier. Preferably they should just balance the maps so that bloodlust is not needed since its a bandaid fix for poor map design.

With the survivor losing exhaustion on the hook its fine. Whats not fine is their POSSIBLE plan to include other status effects aswell. It would make the mangled status effect redundant. In general OP i think you are being a bit over dramatic. The devs are working to make this balanced and fair for both sides. Its not unreasonable for them to make adjustments to both sides. That is why they are pitching ideas to use and testing these things in a PTB where they can gather constructive feedback.

@KillingInstinct said:

@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
Bloodlust needs to go. It promotes bad killer plays and requires you to learn less. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing killers aside from killers FOV and flashlights white screen giving me migraines. I hated using BL and I would instantly lose it if I ever reached tier III, because it meant for that I did not play optimally.

Yes, maps need adjusting still and I can prolly live with BL staying until then, but once maps get balanced, it needs to go.

Also when you're hooked, you're not doing anything. It makes perfect sense exhaustion cooldown would go down when you're hooked.

While that may be true. They are first beginning with BL and not with the map balance. Killers are just getting nerfed again and it pisses me off. ''Hey! The survivor players gave us over 440 bad reviews in one day and over 650 in two days. Let's reward with buffs and killer nerfs, am I right?''

You can't possibly say that ######### is fair at all! They have to buff Brutal Strength then so we can still keep up with the survivors!

BS is fine where it is and anymore buffs would make it way too strong. There is a difference between balancing and just outstraight oping stuff. Numbers need to be treated carefully in DBD, because the multipliers are really weird, so buffing BS in numbers might just break the perk.

Balancing is nerfing and buffing on both sides. You cannot get anything right immediately. I've never seen that done in any game that XY patch was right away the perfect patch. I never said things are fair, because a lot of things are unfair in the game for both sides, but when I look at these changes I'm usually very cold towards them. They make sense to me on a rational basis.

They needed to lower BL so people can start to learn mindgames, because a lot of players are nowadays new players who never played the game with no BL, so they can get used to a different type of game and develop new strategies, because the end goal is to remove it once maps are balanced. I do believe lowering the numbers are needed before that can happen at all, even after map balance, because a ice cold removal of the feature would throw a lot of players out of the loop.

Like others points out, that change was mentioned several times in the past few weeks.

@SadonicShadow said:

@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
Bloodlust needs to go. It promotes bad killer plays and requires you to learn less. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing killers aside from killers FOV and flashlights white screen giving me migraines. I hated using BL and I would instantly lose it if I ever reached tier III, because it meant for that I did not play optimally.

Yes, maps need adjusting still and I can prolly live with BL staying until then, but once maps get balanced, it needs to go.

Also when you're hooked, you're not doing anything. It makes perfect sense exhaustion cooldown would go down when you're hooked.

I agree with this. Bloodlust is a bandaid for a much larger issue. I would take balanced maps over bloodlust any day. Hopefully before the end of 2018 every map is balanced so that there is no critical time wasters or safe spots and then BL rightfully gets the axe.

I hope so. With proper balance of maps and BL gone, I would have more reason to start playing the game again. > @WalterWh1te said:

Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

Bloodlust needs to go. It promotes bad killer plays and requires you to learn less. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing killers aside from killers FOV and flashlights white screen giving me migraines. I hated using BL and I would instantly lose it if I ever reached tier III, because it meant for that I did not play optimally.

Yes, maps need adjusting still and I can prolly live with BL staying until then, but once maps get balanced, it needs to go.

Also when you're hooked, you're not doing anything. It makes perfect sense exhaustion cooldown would go down when you're hooked.

100% agree. If you rely on current BL 3 to catch someone something is wrong.

Also the pallet interaction didn't feel intuitive in the PTB. Getting a hit on someone after the stun should have kicked in is no bueno.

Those changes are not a overnight reaction to some reviews. Its a general roadmap to make the game fun for both sides.

This includes more fluid animations and interactions.

But keep on going with the victim entertainment. Its pretty hilarious tbh.

Oh yeah, a hit after the stun sounds no bueno, even though it could be latency? Considering the amount of posts I saw about that, I doubt it is latency though. That doesn't sound too fancy to me. It might change with the animation change that McLean showed on Stream though, because it could explain some issues with the pallets on both sides.

@KillingInstinct said:

@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

@KillingInstinct said:

@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
Bloodlust needs to go. It promotes bad killer plays and requires you to learn less. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing killers aside from killers FOV and flashlights white screen giving me migraines. I hated using BL and I would instantly lose it if I ever reached tier III, because it meant for that I did not play optimally.

Yes, maps need adjusting still and I can prolly live with BL staying until then, but once maps get balanced, it needs to go.

Also when you're hooked, you're not doing anything. It makes perfect sense exhaustion cooldown would go down when you're hooked.

While that may be true. They are first beginning with BL and not with the map balance. Killers are just getting nerfed again and it pisses me off. ''Hey! The survivor players gave us over 440 bad reviews in one day and over 650 in two days. Let's reward with buffs and killer nerfs, am I right?''

You can't possibly say that ######### is fair at all! They have to buff Brutal Strength then so we can still keep up with the survivors!

BS is fine where it is and anymore buffs would make it way too strong. There is a difference between balancing and just outstraight oping stuff. Numbers need to be treated carefully in DBD, because the multipliers are really weird, so buffing BS in numbers might just break the perk.

Balancing is nerfing and buffing on both sides. You cannot get anything right immediately. I've never seen that done in any game that XY patch was right away the perfect patch. I never said things are fair, because a lot of things are unfair in the game for both sides, but when I look at these changes I'm usually very cold towards them. They make sense to me on a rational basis.

They needed to lower BL so people can start to learn mindgames, because a lot of players are nowadays new players who never played the game with no BL, so they can get used to a different type of game and develop new strategies, because the end goal is to remove it once maps are balanced. I do believe lowering the numbers are needed before that can happen at all, even after map balance, because a ice cold removal of the feature would throw a lot of players out of the loop.

Like others points out, that change was mentioned several times in the past few weeks.

Balancing is nerfing and buffing, yes. But this game is branded as asymmetrical. It should be power vs numbers. It's power vs numbers with power right now.

A BS buff wouldn't make it OP. IT would make it how it used to be. Even if it's only up to 30%.

They should buff all killers a bit. Make MM like he used to be for example. Almost infinite stalking range and stacking EW succ speed

MM is in a good place right now. Infinite stalking range would literally break the game due to the render issues with some objects causing him to look through some objects. I think his stalking right now is bugged, at least the way he is collecting his stalk from survivors when a red survivors in the frame - it slows down, so it can hinder your process.

And no, currently how the game is any buff to BS would make it too strong. BS is in a really good place right now and it can cut off enough to catch up to someone and I think there will not be a buff in the near future for it considering the pallet changes.

Buff the killers generally, yes, but even if it's asymmetrical, you cannot buff something to hell and risk that a huge amount of players won't have fun. There is a difference between making a scary and thrilling experience and a unfair and unfun experience. Depending on the way you do it, it can shift to the unfair and unfun side really quickly and it's not even a matter of adapting. No amount of adapting can change the unfairness of some things and if they just get frustrating, it's not a good change.

@Lowbei said:
Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

Bloodlust needs to go. It promotes bad killer plays and requires you to learn less. It's one of the reasons I stopped playing killers aside from killers FOV and flashlights white screen giving me migraines. I hated using BL and I would instantly lose it if I ever reached tier III, because it meant for that I did not play optimally.

Yes, maps need adjusting still and I can prolly live with BL staying until then, but once maps get balanced, it needs to go.

Also when you're hooked, you're not doing anything. It makes perfect sense exhaustion cooldown would go down when you're hooked.

This tells me you must not play at ranks where pallet looping happens, because pallet looping can only be countered by bloodlust (or nurse), else you can spend 5 minutes looping every pallet in the map.

The devs stated that they wanted survivors to not be feeling “safe” in front of killers, thats why they made bloodlust, yet after i loop a killer a few times for bloodlust to activate, all i have to do is make them break the pallet and they lose it, then on to the next one.

Its clear by these ridiculous changes that the review bomb actually worked, despite near universal praise from your vet players as a long awaited step in the right direction.

Its still abundantly clear that the devs do not consult their most experienced players when making decisions about a game they only play at non-competitive ranks.

I have played in these ranks. I was rank 2 max and that is enough to almost always meet rank 1 players. I just never was bothered by it that much and I was able to play around it enough when I was playing. Usually matches would end pretty quickly on my end as killer, but I had to stop playing mainly killer after the FOV change. I can only play a bit of killer otherwise it will cause migraine due to the FOV + flashlight white screen. I do know my killrate in percentage from the time I was playing and that only includes 4ks, it was decent enough that I can say I did not have that many issues in the old times and I mean really old issues. I started playing when Myers released.

Bloodlust was made as a bandaid until map would be balanced - that's how it was introduced and that it will go once maps are balanced. That is the point. Once maps get fixed in the best ways, it can go, because it's not needed anymore and for me to reac BL tier III is as if I'm being carried and I don't like that.

@Lowbei said:

i understand the migraine thing. it would be nice if there was a “blind in white or black” option.

I really dislike the quote system... Anyways, yes. I've been pushing for this for a very long time already, basically since I became a mod, but eh, lol.-

@powerbats said:

@FrenziedRoach said:

@KillingInstinct said:

@FrenziedRoach said:
They've been talking about those Bloodlust changes for a very long time actually - long before the review bomb. And the trap buffering was in the game before and was never really that big of a deal.

And getting a cooldown from exhaustion when hooked makes sense to me.

I think you are overreacting.

That's not what this is about. It's about the fact that survivors got nerfed, review bombed the game and are now gonna get rewarded with buffs in the next patch while killer players have always been acting properly and they are getting nerfed. ######### bs

Except most of what you mentioned has been talked about in the past BEFORE the review bomb.

Ssshhh don't let facts and logic get int the way of their rantings it would mean they'd have to stop with the histrionics.

The time they were mentioned isn't the issue.

The fact that it's now going into an actual PTB is. This isn't the time for killer nerfs we are still weak. This will just make us weaker.