So Killers got Bamboozled?

brokedownpalace said:

The sky is falling.

Don't be disrespectful or the mods will warn u

BL is useless, since it´s only a bandaid to fix the looping problem, which was created unintentionally by giving killers and survivors different collision boxes.
Killer is supposed to be faster than the survivor, but because of the different collision boxes (also known as fat shaming), that speed bonus is nullified.

Now a killer who can´t catch a survivor for 15 seconds with BL2 won´t be able to catch a survivor with the new BL3. Mindgames will vanish and survivors will loop even more than ever.

Resistance is futile. If killers adapt and try to git gud, the devs will find something else to nerf killers.
Survivors won´t be happy unless everyone escapes every match.

@azazer said:
@Bbbrian2013
They also said that by making survivors more powerful it opens killers to be more powerful. Survivors get a little something now, killers get a little more later

So killers will see the next buff in 4-5 months? Sounds promising...
/S

Here in lies the problem. Dev's are doing exactly what happens to every game i can remember. The player base complains, they try to balance the game. They fix something that wasn't broken in the first place.

Then take into account they are in no way fixing what really needs to be fixed and changing things that don't need to be changed. The only thing that really needed to be fixed is pallet vacuums or anything that gives one side an unfair game mechanic advantage. The other was just to balance the maps themselves in order to reduce the size of loops, fix infinite looping by pallets and windows and rework some of the killers to make them viable again.

Instead what do they do, they make a bunch of unnessary nerfs to survivor perks and try to buff killers, then screw killers over again in the next update..

If this game wants to go the way of Evolve it seems like the dev's plan is working.

ZombieGenesis said:

The game will never be balanced. Survivors will always be HEAVILY favored by the devs. Time to move on and hope Hide or Die doesn't suck.

the only good thing that came from this patch is that Survivors and Killers wont get bullshit trades, and that Kindred Might be a Built in tool for survivors, Blood Lust is gonna hit hard but that still needs to be PTBed

Peanits said:

Just throwin' it out there, I very rarely even get bloodlust 1 (unaffected), let alone bloodlust 2 (slight decrease). The only time I've ever gotten bloodlust 3 was when I was messing around and intentionally trying to get it. It's not as big of a deal as some make it out to be. The vast majority of the time you're going to have to break a pallet before BL1 can even activate, and even if you do get BL1, it's unaffected by this change. Simply put, you do not need to be going 1.8m/s (4.6 base) faster than someone to catch them. BL3 will still allow you to close the distance twice as fast as you would normally.

I've never been a fan of bloodlust. It doesn't help with the one thing it was made to solve. Each time you break a pallet, it resets. The only thing it actually punishes is survivors who know how to survive without using pallets let and right, and instead using windows to gain small amounts of distance and using the broken LOS to mindgame. Bloodlust in reality is just a brute force mechanic. There's no strategy to it. You just run around for a bit and then sonic up to someone to get a hit.

If anything, I'd rather just see it reworked into something that punishes pallet looping, e.g. for each pallet you break in a chase you get a bloodlust stack. But in order to do that (since stacks would be easier to accumulate), you'd have to have a more reasonable speed boost. You can't have an F1 running you down just because of a few pallets.

Also, that is going to be tested before it even has a chance to go live. It's not even confirmed yet.

The rest of the changes mentioned were fairly minor. QOL animation improvements (no effect on gameplay, unhook change is arguably good for the killer because the "fake" unhook where they are not grab-able doesn't exist), trap buffering is really not a big deal (now that traps cannot be placed under hooks, it's going to see minimal use, long time trapper main here).

The only other biggish change mentioned is giving more information to solo players, which is a good thing. It puts everyone on a more level playing field, making the game easier to balance. Currently it's difficult to find a good balance because solo players would be left behind if you just buff killers, whereas SWF groups wouldn't have much issue because they're able to share information easily. Bringing everyone up to the same level allows you to buff killers to make them powerful to everyone equally.

It must be nice to live in a world of unskilled and non-exploitive survivors, while constantly getting perfect map RNG, that completely eliminates the need for BL.

i havent seen it yet... PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE JOKING!!!!!
i was starting to actually enjoy the game... Dx

@Raccoon said:
Peanits said:

Just throwin' it out there, I very rarely even get bloodlust 1 (unaffected), let alone bloodlust 2 (slight decrease). The only time I've ever gotten bloodlust 3 was when I was messing around and intentionally trying to get it. It's not as big of a deal as some make it out to be. The vast majority of the time you're going to have to break a pallet before BL1 can even activate, and even if you do get BL1, it's unaffected by this change. Simply put, you do not need to be going 1.8m/s (4.6 base) faster than someone to catch them. BL3 will still allow you to close the distance twice as fast as you would normally.

I've never been a fan of bloodlust. It doesn't help with the one thing it was made to solve. Each time you break a pallet, it resets. The only thing it actually punishes is survivors who know how to survive without using pallets let and right, and instead using windows to gain small amounts of distance and using the broken LOS to mindgame. Bloodlust in reality is just a brute force mechanic. There's no strategy to it. You just run around for a bit and then sonic up to someone to get a hit.

If anything, I'd rather just see it reworked into something that punishes pallet looping, e.g. for each pallet you break in a chase you get a bloodlust stack. But in order to do that (since stacks would be easier to accumulate), you'd have to have a more reasonable speed boost. You can't have an F1 running you down just because of a few pallets.

Also, that is going to be tested before it even has a chance to go live. It's not even confirmed yet.

The rest of the changes mentioned were fairly minor. QOL animation improvements (no effect on gameplay, unhook change is arguably good for the killer because the "fake" unhook where they are not grab-able doesn't exist), trap buffering is really not a big deal (now that traps cannot be placed under hooks, it's going to see minimal use, long time trapper main here).

The only other biggish change mentioned is giving more information to solo players, which is a good thing. It puts everyone on a more level playing field, making the game easier to balance. Currently it's difficult to find a good balance because solo players would be left behind if you just buff killers, whereas SWF groups wouldn't have much issue because they're able to share information easily. Bringing everyone up to the same level allows you to buff killers to make them powerful to everyone equally.

It must be nice to live in a world of unskilled and non-exploitive survivors, while constantly getting perfect map RNG, that completely eliminates the need for BL.

Or, peanits isn't a dumb killer and is good at the game?

SO many killers feel the same and barely even touch BL2. It's just you whinging babies that don't take responsibility for bad play that want bloodlust, or assume that the killers not complaining are going against plebs. GTFO of here with that nonsense.

@Peanits said:
Just throwin' it out there, I very rarely even get bloodlust 1 (unaffected), let alone bloodlust 2 (slight decrease). The only time I've ever gotten bloodlust 3 was when I was messing around and intentionally trying to get it. It's not as big of a deal as some make it out to be. The vast majority of the time you're going to have to break a pallet before BL1 can even activate, and even if you do get BL1, it's unaffected by this change. Simply put, you do not need to be going 1.8m/s (4.6 base) faster than someone to catch them. BL3 will still allow you to close the distance twice as fast as you would normally.

I've never been a fan of bloodlust. It doesn't help with the one thing it was made to solve. Each time you break a pallet, it resets. The only thing it actually punishes is survivors who know how to survive without using pallets let and right, and instead using windows to gain small amounts of distance and using the broken LOS to mindgame. Bloodlust in reality is just a brute force mechanic. There's no strategy to it. You just run around for a bit and then sonic up to someone to get a hit.

If anything, I'd rather just see it reworked into something that punishes pallet looping, e.g. for each pallet you break in a chase you get a bloodlust stack. But in order to do that (since stacks would be easier to accumulate), you'd have to have a more reasonable speed boost. You can't have an F1 running you down just because of a few pallets.

Also, that is going to be tested before it even has a chance to go live. It's not even confirmed yet.

The rest of the changes mentioned were fairly minor. QOL animation improvements (no effect on gameplay, unhook change is arguably good for the killer because the "fake" unhook where they are not grab-able doesn't exist), trap buffering is really not a big deal (now that traps cannot be placed under hooks, it's going to see minimal use, long time trapper main here).

The only other biggish change mentioned is giving more information to solo players, which is a good thing. It puts everyone on a more level playing field, making the game easier to balance. Currently it's difficult to find a good balance because solo players would be left behind if you just buff killers, whereas SWF groups wouldn't have much issue because they're able to share information easily. Bringing everyone up to the same level allows you to buff killers to make them powerful to everyone equally.

But we are still talking about DbD, yes?
Because on my version of DbD, high rank survivors know exactly how to abuse the differences in hit boxes to loop for ages. I agree, that i rarely see BL3, because i more often than not, have to break a pallet. With the upcoming nerf, survivors will be able to loop killers even more and longer.

I highly doubt the devs will buff the killers as they need it. Since they have been giving in to survivor demands time after time.
You are balancing the game around rank 20 but didn´t find it strange how the one and only DbD anniversary tournament turned out. The game is incredibly unbalanced towards survivors. Do you really think nerfing killers is the right decision to get a balanced game? Or are you simply to afraid of the survivors which review bombed the game?

IF the devs really want to balance the game, they would need to play regularly with and against the best DbD streamers and Regularly play on rank 1 against our normal community. No internal matches where people play nice, and everyone comes along. But against the full toxic playerbase we have to endure on a daily base.