Why are they changing The Spirit?

once upon a time the # of kills was how it was determined. It didn't work. It wasn't fun for survivors because the killers played the game "wrong". They played competitively and played to kill. So they changed it.

The on going war between survivors and killers is largely due to both sides misconception that you can win. You can't and don't win, at least not according to the game itself. You survive or die. Or you disappoint the entity or are a brutal, ruthless or merciless killer.

the implication that a 3 and 4ks are wins for the killer are all self imposed.

There are currently 2 problems with the system that cause the killers the pain they are currently in.

1) The killer emblems are too dependent on the way the survivors play, gatekeeper, malicious and chaser. Gatekeeper is the worst offender, since there is really nothing you can do to stop survivors from finishing their first gen in the first min to 30 secs of play.

The game is designed such that its super common by the 1st hook to have the survivors done with 2 gens. I could go into loads of detail on this but imo its a pretty obvious problem and has earned the name "gen rush". So even in games where the killer PLAYS the way that BHVR wants them to, they still can't really receive the "merciless" state unless the survivors cooperate.

Gatekeeper should be changed so the vast majority of the points for the emblem are tied to the games duration, instead of the # of gens remaining. Rather then 5 for each min that generators are unfinished it should be changed to 20. And unfinished generators at matches end should be worth 5 each. This way, if the match lasts for 9 mins with all gens uncompleted you'd get iri.

Malicious suffers less so, but survivors getting off your shoulder via wiggle or survivors healing, again, these are often 100% out of your control, as such they shouldn't be counted as penalties imo. Dc's current another huge hole in malicious. Since you lose the hook state points.

Chaser loss of points for being within 8 or 16 of a hooked survivor is just dumb. Top tier killers don't hook camp and punishing killers for being near the hook doesn't stop the ones that do. It just, again, creates situations where the killer, without any significant control will lose points without good reason. I find a survivor and end up getting looped within 16 meters of the hooked survivor. Not my fault and to suggest I should be forced to abandoned that just if I want the points is just dumb.The reality is this situation is actual fun for the survivors. Unhooking while the killer is near is a rush and dangerous. If the killer decides to change targets and tunnel they you've really messed up.

The killer currently is essential at the mercy of the survivors for the game to go long enough for him to be effective.

I'm not whining about it, so don't read it that way. Its just the factual way the game is currently designed based on the arbitrary determination of the what the developers consider good play by the killer.

2) The survivors points and sense of fun is too tightly coupled with survival because the expectation of survival is too high. And conversely the pipping system does not reward them for extending the game. But in the higher ranks simple by making ranking up harder they have shown to a degree that it is critical that you DO extend the game if you want the double and even single pip. By finishing the generators too quickly they could easily depip or safety. Which is effectively a loss.

If the points for survival were changed to be worth only 500 and the survival emblem was not linked to escape, but instead linked to the duration of time spent in the match (just like gatekeeper), then you'd see a massive change in the game in general.

Without changing a single other aspect of the game, if a Iridescent survival was represented by a 11+ min game with at least 1 generator remaining. Since if you let them count after the last gen was done then'd you'd get abuse scenarios with survivors just finishing the gens and then hiding.

Bonus) Personally I also believe ranks should be hidden and the pips themselves should only indicate your performance as rated by BHVRs metrics, until such a time they introduce a ranked mode and acknowledge a side as a winner and a side as a loser.

This is true

If your not confident in your reads against any killer then you deserve to lose for playing badly at the chase game. You should need to play well to win against a skilled killer. Escaping should be more of a rare occurrence. Tru3 states this as a problem with the mindset. I'm not sure what separate queue is suppose to accomplish, In general all the killers should be able to handle their own regardless for who their opponent is. Obviously, this isn't exactly the case. part of the reason being is that a lot of the killer powers have near crippling drawbacks to their ability disabling them from creating strategic play style to winning a match. The few that have reliable power with least drawbacks have the greatest chance of winning a match(In my opinion).

I'm sure there were people saying she was fair and balanced; I'm not doubting that at all. I'm saying that there were people who thought otherwise-- mostly PC players I'm guessing.

The reason why I brought up Nurse and Billy is because getting good results with the Spirit is far easier. I know my success rate with her is higher than it should be and I base this on how much more challenging it was to learn how to snap a chainsaw hit around corners and loops instead of using M1.

You're right, she hasn't become better. As time passed, people just realized how strong she was, and there was a breaking point.. somewhen. Like I said, I've been hearing about her being OP for a while now. It was just a matter of time before it all boiled over.

As far as why survivors don't learn how to play against her, I don't know. Maybe it's too much trouble for a casual mindset.

Really good spirits will moonwalk to counter spine chill

Hello, I had to register to comment this. If 2K is the target, then the emblem system needs significant rework! Because i had plenty games where i got 3 kills (not 2!) and still depip/black pip... by the way i never camp or tunnel, so it is always 10 min+ game where i get 25k+ bloodpoints and still depip! Its ridiculous... and also very demotivating. And definetly NOT fun ?

The problem with Spirit is that her counterplay is unreliable and based on guesswork. There's no surefire way to avoid taking a hit from her when she uses her power.

When you're playing against Hillbilly, you can avoid being hit by his chainsaw if you focus on breaking line of sight with him and forcing him to make tight turns. He'll probably still get you eventually, but not before you burn through some pallets or Bloodlust comes into play.

When you play against Huntress, it's a similar story. If you break line of sight with her (Or if you're in an open area, don't run in a straight line), you can dodge a lot of her hatchet throws and extend the chase time significantly.

But against Spirit, there's no sure way to avoid taking a hit when she phases. If you equip Iron Will, Spine Chill and Fixated, then create a misleading trail of scratch marks for her to follow, there's no guarantee that you won't take a hit. The Spirit might bump into you while phasing, or predict the trick, or hear your footsteps, or hear your breathing with Stridor, or make a lucky guess, or just do a fake-out. No matter how much you try to outplay her, there's always a good chance that she'll hit you anyway.

2 kills is a bad metric to balance this game on. Too many times have I seen survivors dominate gens just to throw it away at the end trying to save one person. Also take into account gaps in skill level between players.

Not to mention most of the time two kills two escape at red ranks is either a black pip or a derank.

because the devs rather nerf the killer than then fixing the problems. (like punish for DC's, give rewards for ranking up) its easier and less work for them.

Thanks for sharing your honest thoughts. We would like to see more support for this. She is not unfair, her power can be misleading a lot. Remove prayer beads and its fine

No we survivor mains are awesome sauce and never do anything wrong. We all play like esport pros and if we get hooked it's because the killer is op. Nerd them all!

*And scene*

Jesus Christ, imagine being this #########.

Excuse me?