Camping needs a harsher punishment

How was it abused by survivors?

it doesn't matter what idea you come up with... it doesn't matter how often this topic is brought up... camping is here to stay.

even if 5 gens are up "ItS sTiLl A lEgIT sTrAtEgY" and the only thing you CAN do is hope your teammates are competent enough to punish the killer by completing as many gens as possible while the troll-killer is still staring at the hook.

to answer the other question... Ruin is almost required in the game currently because of how quickly a competent team can get the generators done. (an issue exacerbated by killers who don't know what map pressure is)

What if you used camaraderie

A lot of things have potential to be "abused".

But for instance, if the killer is standing in certain proximity let's say full on face-camping. They stand there for a certain period of time before the ability can even take place. This limits the idea of someone going in for the hook and killer chasing them, or survivors running the killer TO the hook, in order to use said perk etc. Because obviously, that is something that would be done quite often.

Example: Decisive Strike. Supposed to be anti-tunneling. What do some do? Specifically go in front of the killer in order to get hit or drag them to a locker just to try to use it. - This "abuse" should be adjusted in my opinion as well.

Anyways, just a thought. The length of stun could also vary, might not be as long even.

Gen rushing is a thing you know that right?

Tunneling and camping aren't issues. I understand the post though. You are frustrated, but honestly, camping is one of the worst things a killer can do. It is a guaranteed 3+ completed gens if done in the start of the game. The only issue I see is when the hooked survivor suicides out of frustration and kills the advantage that was given to their teammates. There are perks that you can us that will help you in camping and tunneling situations. Use them and increase your chance of escape. But hey, I get it. It is frustrating when I get tunneled and camped.

The funny thing is as much as it has been suggested, and as many times as I see this same answer, the WAY it was abused by survivors was to "stay in terror radius". There are EASY fixes they could have made to avoid that. For example "if only the hooked survivor is in terror radius". This would not be abuseable by survivors. "If other survivors aside from the hooked survivor is interacting with an object inside terror radius, hook progression continues as normal".

Also, there are other ways to punish camping that would be fine and not be abuseable. They could put a protection zone for only the unhooked survivor, to where after they're unhooked, that hook protects them from taking damage for 30 seconds. Then the camping killer either has to sit there and wait out the 30 seconds, letting others pump out generators, or go look for someone else. You might argue survivors could bring med kits and heal themselves to full health, but that doesn't sound like a major issue to me, if that survivor wasn't camped, they would have gotten a heal anyways, but if it does become an issue, you could easily make it where that survivor could not use items while in the protection field. Sure, the protection field idea would also allow survivors to unhook right in your face, but the positives far outweigh the negatives. You can hit the survivor unhooking in your face and still chase them. You can't be tunneled off the hook, etc.

People spout that "It was abused by survivors" line so often, and so often someone brings up a suggestion that would completely render it unabuseable, but then it's ignored. If the devs had put ANY thought into their system after it was abused, it could have easily avoided abuse cases.

Camping is what drives away players, I can guarantee that, because if I didn't have the iron will(lol) I have, I would have quit ages ago.

hook divers? If they rush in the perk can't kick in. Even with the killer there, it would need X amount of time of camping. I don't see how SWF would effect it, as the killer would need to be X amount of range as well. If a survivor is in the area also, that means the killer isn't camping at that point... so it shouldn't be able to be used etc. At EGC, I don't know? That seems more understandable to be camping in the first place. Maybe it won't even work once that goes. But again the stun duration doesn't need to be the same duration as a normal stun. -- Also, maybe the survivor using it can not move for the same time it is going off? That'd be interesting. And also, maybe the only way in order to use it, you have to be the one unhooking etc. So, that teammates like SWF can't just sit nearby and ready their own up, (you can't all use it). It has to be for a specific set purpose.

Yeah. And I hope they do add/change something about this as well. And actual camping isn't fun for a survivor. For me I played to get bloodpoints... with matchmaking it takes FOREVER to get into a game sometimes, and to top it off once you find one, you just get facecamped, from the start.... you're lucky to get like 3k BPs. It would be nice to get some bloodpoints, like if they consider it like a "chase" you are occupying the killers time, and BP adds up, like if you are being straight up facecamped. It's not fun in the slightest, and people know it. Giving some sort of way to actually "play" the game, compensation, or even a way to even remotely counter this, would be something.

The problem is with some of it, is trying to balance it. Like they did with DS, that has "loopholes" if you will, which is also not fun. You need to try to be fair as possible. I can't quite think of a way to give a hooked person "something" to sort of do, while they are up there. Like maybe if you are being facecamped, you can initiate a 5th perk slot.... Kindred lol... I don't know. Some change regarding this topic would be nice.

The "counter" is just do gen's. But realistically, you can't do 4-5 gens with out a "rush" build, like toolboxes etc, and even with one, you have to consider transitions to the next gen. I have a hard time seeing 4-5gens..... I could be wrong. I mean you have 3 people doing gens, while one survivor is dying. So, at most 3 can be going at once from the start of it... ( I don't have the times on that). Not everyone brings those. Like sure yes you can do gens, but it would be nice to have some sort of "counter" even if it is very minimal.

I'm sort of surprised they made camaraderie a perk, I mean, instead of maybe having that initiate from just being facecamped.

I said a safe zone for the unhooked survivor, not for everyone. Maybe read before spouting off things. You couldn't heal the unhooked survivor in the safe zone. The survivor who was unhooked would be the only one immune. You could argue that if both did that to each other, they could have immunity, but in that case they gave you an extra hook you normally wouldn't have. Who's winning in that scenario? Neither of them can move afterwards or they're downed again. If they leave the hook protection field, they're gonna get injured again regardless. That leaves only two people on gens.

Even if that did become a problem, there's a very easy solution. Once someone else is hooked, the protection zone dissipates for any other survivors.

Should also add Borrowed Time doesn't work for every killer now, because of Oblivious, so you can't say "That's the counter to all camping!"

Giving a free stun to survivors is not my idea or intention. Under specific set rules and guidelines as well as maybe a downside or negative towards the survivor that uses it, would be. And stun duration doesn't need to be as long as "normal" stuns. If survivor is in area = killer isn't camping. So, cannot use the stun idea perk. Killer would have to be considered camping most likely due to X amount of time, as well as X distance. Not initiating chases with other survivors etc. If it can't be tweaked to avoid abuse, such as how DS is used, then there is no point to it.

Perhaps, not thinking of it as a stun, but a minor shield protection to the person doing the save? Maybe it could be changed into a "change" one survivor gives his life to save, while he gets hooked instead? Giving the killer a body and the survivor can get some play time in the game?

The goal is to give survivors a way to "counter" or at least benefit in some way. As rank, and bloodpoints etc get effected.

Honestly.... I would love this ... lmao.

While Kindred being a base mechanic would be cool, camping itself prevents one player from playing the game, and it happens in low ranks quite frequently, which people tend to ignore. That however is a big factor in people continuing to play from my experience.

Yeah but someone in red ranks can at least play the game a lot longer than someone in low ranks.

Not only are low rank killers camping though. Even higher ranked ones do. Even had one guy who camped all the way to rank 1 on PS4. Either way, whether the killer gets only 1 kill or not is not the issue. The issue is that it creates a situation where one person cannot play the game. And I'm sorry, but killers in low rank have it easy. You can get 4ks in low ranks so easily you could do it blindfolded. Sure if you have a higher ranked survivor in your games, it might be more difficult, but killer is a lot less stressful in low ranks than it is at higher ranks. Survivors suffer the most in low ranks. Being new to the game as a survivor makes you wonder if the game is even worth playing because of how bad of an attitude most killers have there. I went through this, but I was very determined to get better at the game, and I have, and don't experience camping AS MUCH, but it's still there, and it still sucks for that one person who doesn't get to play the game, and believe it or not, unless the survivor runs the killer for an insane amount of time, you can only do 3-4 gens before they die on the hook, meaning someone else is likely to die as well, unless you go for a BT or DS play(or Adrenaline, if they don't have NOED, but most campers have NOED).

By the way, I've even seen worse things. I had one guy actually bring Monstrous Shrine, Iron Grasp, and Agitation while camping so the person in the basement died faster, meaning he could go to the next. I know Monstrous Shrine is supposedly really bad, but for people who camp, this lets them get to their next target faster if they play like this.

You know killer mains won't accept this. They believe that survivors who DC should be penalized but killers who DC shouldn't. Camping, tunneling and NoEd will always be a core part of gameplay for killers.

That's how I consider camping as well. You're taking the game hostage with that person, and slightly with the others as well, since you won't chase them.

When I was in low ranks, if I was found first, I couldn't loop or anything, so I literally died in like 3 seconds, then was stuck on a hook. I don't see how that felt more playable. This happened a lot, until I started getting better. There's no telling how many games I felt like I wanted to quit playing altogether because of how frustrating it was. It probably didn't help that I leveled David first so finding me was pretty easy, especially injured. I also thought No Mither was a good perk then, because I thought "Oh, being able to heal yourself on the ground sounds cool!, and so does not having grunts of pain or blood." Didn't take me long to realize how bad it was though.

It's a decent suggestion what you just put something however stealth Killers would still be able to camp same thing with anybody using insidious.

Killers can also abuse the system you could however make it a certain range limit from the hook like how make your choice and devour hope work.

So if the killer's within 32 m the protection will activate however if a survivors work in 16 to 20 m the protection world deactivate.

However a system like this would have to be turned off after the exit gates are powered