Ghostface is overperforming

I think that a killer should 4k/3k until they hit a rank at which in which they average 2k while not having to resort to face camping to achieve. meaning that they can achieve 2k while kicking gens and chasing survivors. Also I'd say every killer at rank one should average 2k against opponents while being active in a match (kicking gens/ kicking pallets/ chasing survivors/ setting traps).

I think that is what more killer mains are complaining about, only a few killers can achieve a victory(or a draw for that matter). at red ranks with out resorting to tactics that will give a black pip or a depip. that's the difference, killers with mobility or for ghost face a built in reveal and beast of prey ending chases much faster. Legion would be high tier again if not for the 4 second fatigue, thats like a free sprint burst to chased survivors when they dont have a downside while being chased and cant be downed during frenzy.

The can be so many ideas to encourage play styles, like give bubba a gas gauge that replenishes when he is in a chase if the gauge is full he can insta saw if he only has 25 % the gauge he will have to charge 75% of the chargetime. Once gas is full bubba get a minor speed boost, make stuns loose gas. it gives depth to mindless play and creates insta-saw bubba and racecar bubba.

I'd nerf huntress addons aslong as we get a Nurse's "plaid flannel" addon that add a crosshair for beginners I mean its kinda redundant at this point but with all the streamers and mods saying if its not detectable the cant do much about *wink, wink*.

clown probably needs a gimmick like broken status for x amount of seconds maybe a plague like cough and broken status to help the chases go faster. not infection just a cough to counter iron will/calm spirit.

I have no clue for doctor or trapper honestly, I love trapper so much too maybe being able to pick up one extra trap but start with one.

Tldr: What i think is more important than 4k/2k argument is how they achieved a 2k/4k and at what rank. was it a basement slog or a face camp the first survivor. A "viable killer" should be averaging 2k while kicking gens/pallets/chasing survivors @ red ranks. are the over preforming killers slugging first chase or face camping first hook? this is super important.

I mean, how can we take emblems out of the equation when they're about the only thing that actually tells us how we did in the game? This game has a ranking system, people wanna rank up, therefore the consideration of character performance has to be balanced around what people need to do to rank up. Right now the game on average requires a 3K equivalent (9 hooks) in an average length game to give a Killer a pip, so that should be considered normal performance. If a killer is consistently giving 2 pip 4K games, then it should be looked at.

this is annoying now. You killers are just asking for nerfs now.

Boyo this thread may be. But everytime I play gf, I get flamed. I've seen so many threads about nerfing ghost. Tru3 is saying gf is gonna get the nerf bat. Instagram pages are talking about ghost getting a nerf. If enough people talk about it, it'll happen.

Its gonna happen. Trust.

No laugh. Only anger. 😠

Since when was GF OP? I mean hes not bad or anything but in all instances Ive played with and against him he,s performed, well, average. His power is controlled by survivors, what more do you guys want?

he already got nerfed like three times u guys trying get him nerfed again

Why base it on average kills? Any killer can face camp and average 1 kill. I'd have to do the math but I think it might even be possible to average 2 kills per game just by face camping. Especially if the survivor suicides out of frustration and in that situation it would actually make more sense for a solo que survivor to suicide and jump in another match than stay and take the bp hit.

Score per category might be a better metric to evaluate performance. Since it more accurately shows performance.

From there I'd base over performance on the hunter and sacrifice categories specifically. Because that determines the success rate of that killer doing its primary objective.

Now to say what should be the average... now that is rough. I guess counter play is key because in the end of the day all the numbers give you an idea but don't really tell the whole story. Evaluate each power and add-on. Define the counter to it. Through streamers/gameplay videos see if the counter works as intended or even if they (we) figure it out. And in the end of the day this game has to have a bit of over performance based on the type of game it is. 1v4. I agree with TRUtalent the steamer. The killer HAS to eventually be able to down the survivor the question is how long does it take the killer to do that. There are a lot of variables in this question so it is hard to have a definitive answer but as an example the recent spirit change where they took away collision. That for me was a great change because collision imo took away counter play to the spirits power.

So in conclusion.... IDK 🤣 As long as there is counter play I guess it doesn't matter how many kills a killer is averaging. Use kills and score to see if the counter play is working as intended.

I don t think the killer is op, i think you are a really good killer and they made mistakes. In a ghostface game, as a survivor, you can learn his patterns and just make him mistake a lot. If he has night shroud active, looping him on a palet or something will get u marked. Just take a risk and fake one pallet, then run in the open to another one which is preferably close, to camcel his night shroud and have him loop there again. Overall he is just an m1 killer if u take his power away from him. Just be careful, when u run from a pallet to another, not to get injured, this cancels the purpose of moving from one to another, if he can get u downed in one hit afterwards. He has amazing perks, indeed, but it s not that bad to deal with.

yeah, devs should rework ghostface because players don't allow you to stalk them and you decide to hit them. sure. so.. what rank do you have?

You know, I'd like to see all these people who are apparently complaining about Ghostface, because I hardly see any threads complaining about him on these forums, and I hardly have any serious trouble against him. I have more trouble against Myers than Ghostface.

The only thing I can even think of that would be a nice change for Ghostface would be making the reveal more consistent.

Sure it means he'll actually be revealed when people stare directly at him but there's a single atom in the way or something, but this also includes the times when he's revealed through time and space (and from his perspective, walls even) as well 😄.

I'm aware a lot of people don't really stalk in the first place but everything else about him is honestly fine if you ask me, including that playstyle.

Kills shouldn't be used at all because there are way too many factors unaccounted for that are artificially making those numbers look higher than they actually are for determining balance.

The thing is if a killer is getting 4 kills consistently it doesn't mean the killer or the killer player is over performing. The survivors could also be playing badly.

I don't believe there's anything wrong with a good killer player getting 3-4 kills on average it just depends on how hard they are working for them. If they're going against the best of the best of survivors then sure the killer is probably a bit strong. Although if they can do that with let's say the worst killers in the game it's likely a player issue.

Also I really feel as though balancing a killer on 2 kills average is bad but that's just me. Obviously you don't want a killer getting 4k kills consistently without any effort but aiming for 2 kills likely means you're going to weaken a killer just for this weird consistency of balance that has gimped many killers already.

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Regarding Ghostface in my opinion his basekit is absolutely fine. His lean could use adjustments to be more reliable on certain objects like hedges though. Specifically the hedges on Haddonfield and Badham Preschool. Also he could have the reveal mechanics tweaked on a bit to be more consistent and less buggy. Sometimes you can reveal him through a wall and sometimes he can stalk you through a wall even before dedicated servers. That's just something that needs a fine tuning overall.

Aside from that the only thing I'd adjust are his addons if anything. I never play Ghostface with addons because even the uncommon ones feel a bit strong. Especially the ones that recharge his power faster. Again though I would not touch his basekit at all I would just adjust addons. He's one of the few M1 killers I believe is in a good spot at the moment.

If we're talking red ranks I'd need to see stats to be convinced Ghostface is over performing. Even so I only care about stats or gameplay for killers without addons. Personally I don't consider killers viable if they need addons just to perform at a higher level. That's why I love the Freddy rework so much. He's playable without addons.