Nerf Discord SWF please

I put it in another, but this is another fair point of SWF.... Not all SWF are in voice chats. They are just in a SWF group so they know at least one of their teammates is actually competent in playing the game

tl;dr I can't win without a massive brain-dead crutch so I'm going to demand that the game be fixed for me instead of learning how to play the game

If you think Spirit was the only Killer who could counter SWF you're out of your mind. If anything Spirit is countered a lot more by SWF than other top tiers like Hillbilly. If you want a really strong counter to SWF play Freddy (with Snares, not pallets) and learn how to properly apply pressure so you can be everywhere at once and have a power that the Survivors can't easily counter.

And I mean if all else fails you can just run a ton of anti-teamwork perks like Discordance and Make Your Choice, and play Killers that punish teamwork like Legion and Doctor.

its literally impossible for the devs to ever nerf coms, so no.

@Peanits

What about second gamemode, called quickgame? It grants bp and allows to play with friends, but don't award with rank progression. Meanwhile, ranked as we know is only for solos. I mean, ranked should represent your own skill, without comms, right?

You don’t have to implement voice comm detection to introduce some forms of debuffs for swf.

you could do something very gradual, like basically non existent in brown ranks, very minor in green, moderate in purple, high in red - debuff applied personally and not to the whole group.

Also it’s not true that it is wrong per se to debuff (which is a different concept from punishment) friends playing together - just watch dark souls and how the mechanics change when you summon a player.

I don't think many people realize how impossible the "SWF" problem is.

Firstly, not all SWF are optimal, playing to win players. Maybe some of them are, and yes, those are a balance problem, but not all of them are. There is no way a blanket debuff to SWF will work when it would punish unwitting new players / casuals from playing the game. That would be unprofitable and un-fun.

Secondly, the idea of buffing solo survivors to the level of SWF is honestly ridiculous. There is enough content (perks, add-ons, etc) that derive their usefulness from being reliant on a solo survivor situation that it'd be massively embarassing, at least, for BHVR to actually rebalance. Can you imagine how the game would be balanced if something like OoO was the norm, or how worthless Kindred would be if SWF was what BHVR balanced around. They'd have to remove entire perks, which would mitigate the bloodweb grind. etc. etc. also, imagine how the balance of this game would fall apart if solo-survivors had the same information that SWF had. Imagine the WHINING. The game would need a huge rebalance, which leads to....

Thirdly, most, if not all killers would need to be buffed in order to compete with SWF. If Solo survivors are able to act on the same information as SWF, then most killers would need to receive buffs to compensate. This is not from a "tit for tat" mentality - many killer tactics rely on exploiting a survivor teams' incomplete information. Removing the confusion many survivors experience effectively buffs them to an unknown quality because they will be acting with much more accurate information - the effectiveness of certain perks go down, the effectiveness of trapping killers, large-scale map pressure, all of that becomes less effective when survivors have more information. Killer buffs are more controversial than even survivor buffs, so imagine the whining. It wouldn't happen.

The worst part is, if you don't do all three steps, you end up with a one-sided game no one wants to play, which would kill BHVR revenue and the game's playerbase. Even if this game heavily favors well-played survivors (which is does to any person who plays to win), it'd be so either impossible or unprofitable to fix the issue that there's barely a point in trying. Right now, BHVR is definitely dead-set on heaping enough material on the trashfire to keep it burning, instead of trying to put it out.

that spirit nerf wont do anything to people that know how to play her cause most spirit mains dont rely on collision anyway nor the broken addons.You shouldn't want to punish people that play with their friends either,it's not a right thing to do.

You're never going to get a solid answer because there is literally no possible buff that killers can get to offset the potential information flow of SWF that would not result in the complete destruction of game balance.

Buffing stuff like Kindred is nice for solos, but it's still a band-aid fix that requires a perk slot.

There's a reason that the developers can never provide a concrete answer when this is asked - There isn't one and there will never be one. The sooner that you realize this, the sooner you can re-evaluate the way you view the game - it's forever casual.

That actually is a pretty damn good idea. If you cannot balance, then at least make it less frustrating. I would be satisfied with that as a short term "solution". However buffing solo survivors to the level of SWF and then buffing Killers would be the way to go in the long term.

"For the next Dead By Daylight Chapter, we are requiring that all Survivors play with a web cam so we can see what they are doing while playing and catch them maybe using voice comms. Rule breakers will have the Entity brick your system."

The only way to properly do it - is adding comms to the game.

I can't think of any other way around it. For example, swf can tell where the traps are. So how it's going to happen? All traps are highlighted? What's the purpose of them then? Or swf can tell the location of the killer. Will killer be always revealed if he is in sights of someone? I doubt they will do this kind of a change to the game. At this point they should just add that voice chat, and then see what will happen and adjust the game accordingly.

But cap on amount of heals would be cool. It's kinda stupid that you can take hit, heal at no cost, take hit, repeat...