Buff legion, not break them.

ive played legion for a looong time. been to red ranks and back a few times.

and the small chance to on hit perks for him is gonna make him more ######### than he was.

i still play legion to this day, hes probably my second most played. this is gonna suck hard, trust.

If you honestly think that you should never, ever use FF to traverse the map, I invite you to play Clown on a corn map, or on Mother's Dwelling. If you have a power that gives you mobility on those maps, it's generally a good idea to use it.

And every second a survivor spends healing is one less second they spend repairing the generators. Unless you enjoy getting genrushed and watching the injured survivors escape, one by one?

This is not a buff, even the devs acknowledged it's a nerf. Slightly faster speed does not make up for on hit perks being worthless and mend time being decreased.

That's what I'm saying. There are no "travel benefits"

Agree, but well its devs right xD

Honestly, having done the math, I don't know if you gain distance or not if you use FF to traverse the map, because I can't find any sources on how fast Legion moves during his fatigue animation. It's noticeably faster than the Nurse's movespeed during her fatigue and the Hillbilly's movespeed during his chainsaw cooldown, but I can't find a single source for the actual hard number.

That being said, you're really overreacting if you honestly believe that FF will be useless, just because it doesn't interact with a handful of perks anymore. It's not like you can't use other perks to replace them. Might I suggest Monitor and Abuse? It makes it easier to get first hits on survivors, and it increases the range of your Killer Instinct detection once you get the first hit in FF.

You can score a lot of hits and get a lot of chains now with FF that you previously couldn't, either because your vault speed was too slow or your movement speed was too slow.

Again, compared to most other M1 killers, Legion doesn't benefit that much from the effect of STBFL, because survivors often won't heal against him. It's the same reason you don't see many Plagues running STBFL, even though they usually rely on M1 to get downs. The reduced attack cooldown only helps you if you need to get multiple M1 hits in a very short time frame.

If you're up against survivors who don't heal, Thanatophobia slows them down and they're vulnerable to getting hooked if you find them. If you're up against survivors who do heal, then they waste a lot of time healing instead of doing gens, buying more time for you to chain hits with FF, or just get hooks. Either way, you win.

If the killer is following you and waiting for you to drop dead instead of just hitting you and getting it over with, then they're throwing the game. If you're upset by the fact that the killer is dicking around and wasting time with you instead of putting you on the hook, then that's on you.

And again, Beast of Prey only works when you're in a chase. The moment you break the chase, you lose the benefit of BoP. And last time I checked, Deep Wounds won't tick down if you're in a chase, even if the Killer has no Terror Radius.

What ? This is not true 10000000000 % the last sentence. Go play vs a Freddy and use the Styptic addon when you are about to go down by getting hit and see what happens. You will drop dead on the ground soon after while Freddy is next to you. You need terror radius for keeping deep wounds. Also it is very easy to keep a chase for 15 seconds esp on open maps that are the majority of the maps. Ofc you will need to keep running and keep that but still the whole idea it exist will make killers play for it and literally everyone hates this playstyle, not to mention the Legion still have addons that reduce the deep wound timer

May I see the source for that data? I looked on Google and looked on the wiki, but didn't find that information anywhere.

The Oni has a one-shot without a penalty, and can traverse the map better than Legion... after he spends the first few minutes looking for survivors and farming blood orbs from injuring them. Before then, he's just a normal M1 killer with all the standard stats, and a power that makes it easier for him to track injured survivors. After he finishes farming and pops Blood Fury for about 60 seconds, the Oni then goes back to being a normal M1 killer and needs to waste time farming blood all over again.

Compare that to the Legion, who can use their power immediately at the start of the game, doesn't need to waste time farming resources instead of chasing survivors or patrolling gens, and only has a 20 second cooldown time between uses of his Frenzy.

If Feral Frenzy only applied Deep Wounds and didn't injure the survivors, you could say that it has a "negative impact". But in addition to needing 12 seconds to mend themselves, the survivors (Unless they have a medkit) will also need to find another survivor, then they both have to waste ~16 seconds of their time to heal one health state. Therefore, getting a single hit with FF will waste, by default, at least 28 seconds of one survivors' time. And since the healer also needs to stop what they're doing to heal their friend, it's more like wasting 44 seconds of one survivor's time.

If you were to hit all 4 survivors with FF, they would each waste 12 seconds Mending, then they would each waste 32 seconds healing each other. If you manage to get 4 chain hits within 44 seconds while using FF (Which certainly isn't impossible in a normal game), then you actually gain time over the survivors. And that's not even considering the time it would take the survivors to group up for healing.

You have to remember that time normally isn't on the killer's side. If the killer never actually starts getting kills, then the survivors will eventually finish the last gen and escape, no matter how many times you injure them and they stop to heal. That's true for all killers, not just Legion. So saying his power has a "negative impact" seems like a moot point when any killers' powers will have a "negative impact" if you never actually get kills with them.

Legion's power makes it easy for him to find survivors, get first hits, and force them to either waste lots of precious time mending and healing instead of doing gens, or leave themselves vulnerable to getting downed. Reducing the mend time by 3 seconds is not going to make him useless, especially not when FF got so many buffs to its speed.

Again, getting STBFL stacks doesn't matter if you can't actually take advantage of the stacks. If everyone stays injured, then there's no point in having all those stacks, because you only need to get one hit to end a chase.

Again, if you can't adapt to the loss of a handful of M1 perks and replace them with perks like Monitor and Abuse, then the problem is with you, not the game.

There are a lot of things that the Killer can do which you have no control over. If the Killer slugs you, then all you can do is crawl over to a corner and wait to die. If the Killer puts you on your second hook, then all you can do is struggle and hope that your teammates will come save you. If the killer puts you on your last hook, then all you can do is watch while the entity drags your character up into the sky.

If you don't like being put into a state where all you can personally do is wait for the inevitable, then why are you playing Survivor at all? Being forced to wait for something to happen is an unavoidable part of Survivor gameplay.

Again, the wording on Deep Wounds is vague. It says "If you are within the Killer's Terror Radius, the Deep Wounds timer pauses, whether you are in a chase or not". It doesn't say "If you are in a chase, but the Killer has no Terror Radius, the Deep Wounds timer will not be paused".

What a nuanced and thoughtful counter-argument. Definitely not an overreaction, or a product of people jumping to conclusions instead of looking at the changes with a rational perspective.

The Mend time on Borrowed Time is 15...why is Legion's 12? It makes no sense for a Killer ability to help Survivors and get them out of danger faster.

Demogorgon's Shred cooldown is 2 seconds when he hits a pallet, no one complains, Hillbilly doesn't even get 3 seconds, Legion is the only Killer with 4 and yet he's weaker than those other two Killers. His cooldown needs to be 3 again, it's ok BHVR, it was a mistake just undo it.

Now I feel bad for wasting my time 😕

Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I am being honest and quite genuine with my assessment. I care deeply for the character, to the point where I spent my own hard-earned money to unlock him.

I have also voiced complaints about Legion's current state multiple times in the past. How several of his add-ons were absolutely useless, and how FF often doesn't prevent you from being looped because the vault speeds were so slow and the speed boost was relatively small.

Then BHVR released this new patch, featuring changes that addressed several of my complaints about the character.

Do I care about the fact that FF doesn't interact with M1 perks anymore? No, because I never used any of those perks in any of my Legion builds.

Do I care that Mending takes slightly less time than it used to? No, because I view it as an insignificant loss compared to what the character gained: Major buffs to several of his add-ons, and major buffs to FF's speed. 3 seconds of mending will not make the difference between victory and defeat 99% of the time, especially if the survivors stay injured after taking the initial hit. But 0.2 seconds of vaulting or an additional 5% movement speed can often mean the difference between landing a hit on a fleeing survivor (Which will often lead to landing additional hits on other survivors), or losing the chase and going on cooldown. I'd rather have buffs that help me put Deep Wounds on as many survivors as possible, than have Deep Wounds require the survivors to waste an additional 3 seconds on Mending.

So I view your "perspective" as illogical, and it baffles me that you only dwell on the negatives, and refuse to acknowledge that the character will now be stronger overall. I think it's likely that you're so attached to the Legion that seeing any kind of nerfs to the character feels like having a knife plunged into your ribcage, even if the devs more than make up for it with buffs to other aspects of the character's kit.

You keep talking like the very small bump in speed is going to make him end chases sooner. 0.2 seconds means nothing.

.2 or .4 isn't that big in the scheme of things. Not compared to the 4 second stun, the 3 second decrease in mend time, or the loss of healing time cause by sloppy butcher. You act like the chases are so close but I've never lost a Chase because of a .2 second mistake.

Well, I still think that the buffs to mobility outweigh the nerf to mend times. When you can run and vault faster, it allows you to be much more efficient with your time. Small things add up quickly in a chase.

Using my example with Fast Vaults: The killer is lunging toward you as you approach a window. If you fast vault, you get through the window safely. If you medium vault, you get hit and go down. So if you successfully perform a fast vault, you not only gain the extra time from the fast vault (0.4 seconds), you also gain additional time that the Killer has to spend getting past the window, and making up for the lost distance as they run after you. What would have been a 10 second chase is increased to a 20 or 30 second chase, or possibly even more if the survivor finds another good loop.

So, this tiny fraction of a second extended the chase time from 10 seconds to 20+ seconds. I think the buffs to Feral Frenzy will have a similar effect. Because you can end loops significantly faster, you end up gaining 5-10 seconds due to the shortened vault animation and increased movement speed. You can now get a hit in situations where the survivor would have otherwise gotten another loop out of you, or forced you to go on cooldown.

Which is why I think the buffs to Legion's mobility will buy more time overall than the 3 seconds of mending from Deep Wounds would. Being able to end loops faster makes it less necessary to have a long mending time.

And again, considering that Plague, Ghostface and Myers can all hold their own in the red ranks, I don't think it's absolutely necessary for killers to have powers that can end loops faster. If their power gives them a quick, reliable way to get first hits, that seems to be enough for them to win against high-ranking survivors.

Keep in mind that, according to BHVR's statistics, every killer in the game (Including Legion) gets more than 2 kills on average, even in the red ranks. Even the worst killers in the game can do well in high-ranking competitive play. So I'm always skeptical when people say that X Killer is "useless" or "overkill nerfed" just because they received a tiny change. And in this case, Legion was buffed in many ways, so I'm even more skeptical when people immediately jump to saying "RIP Legion".