Nemesis LEGION will be nerfed, WHY? .. The perk of NEMESIS has COUNTERPLAY & FULL REWORK LEGION

Theres no problem with nemesis legion its bop and if theyre really thinking about removing that with the nerfs he just got losing dark devotion and stbfl im not even gonna play legion anymore because itll just be impossible.

Yeah so fix bop instead of dragging nemesis down with it . Nemesis legion by himself isnt bad because you can pre pallet or test it by throwing down 1 pallet and if he doesnt have the perk you just play the normal way. They already nerfed him and removed his dark devotion sloppy and stbfl synergy so nerfing him more will just basically make him useless there will be nothing for him to do against a good team pre nerf with the current perks on live he cant do anything really.

Like nemesis legion could be like a neich killer that you may see every once in a while. Because theres other killers that have their own ways to deal with you so he might not be that common. I think they should fix bop then bring nemisis legion to live and see how things go and if its horrible then fix it from there.

You mean the one effect that makes it worth it so itll be a wasted perk like every other perk that you can put on legion...

I do slug people with ds and wait for it to run out or if im doctor i have unnerving presense to make sure they fail the skillcheck.

Apparently because not like he wasnt the weakest killer already and now he lost dark devotion sloppy and stbfl and now he cant even have nemesis. Poor legions become the mercy of dbd.

I don't really think the devs ever intended for stealth killers/perks to just ignore the entire point of a different perk that is controlled by the killer's actions.

Legion? No

Perks? Yes

If anything i want them to fix these 2 but revert the other stuff because at least legion was a niche pick before with the perks that kinda worked but required a good bit of setup but if they fix these 2 and push the nerfs they ran legion over with a semi and drove away. (Revert meaning keeping him the same he is on live).

Might as well keep him the way he is on live at least hes niche if they push the nerfs through and fix those perks he just lost his synergies on live that made him a niche killer so no reason to play him.

No it is bloody not needed all the time.

As I've stated in previous posts you have to go out of your way to blind or head on a killer you could simply just not do it.

Contrary to popular belief you don't need to bring a flashlight into a game and for the most part unless you have a plan on or you're trying to do a coordinated save wasting time staying in a locker just for a head on stun isn't beneficial to anybody.

Also it is not impossible to just drop the pallet early.

If anything i want them to fix these 2 and keep him the way he is on live hes a niche pick who can maybe get value with dark devotion by smacking a survivor then going to another and hoping they bleed out in the 30 seconds before dark devotion runs out.

So people who stun the killer with a pallet deserve to be one hit downed by a power that's meant to be for information gathering? Feels a bit silly to me. Deep Wounds should be based on distance from the killer, not terror radius, or being in a chase. This would prevent all kinds of exploitative scenarios with Deep Wounds. I don't think they should have removed Dark Devotion from Legion. Sloppy Butcher might have been a little strong, who knows, I don't know what the data looks like, but healing is pretty much pointless with a Sloppy Butcher/Thanataphobia Legion, and Thanataphobia + Sloppy Butcher is kind of overkill on healing anyways imo. I would have been fine with Legion keeping it though. I don't think Legion needed any of these changes, and I definitely don't think their power should down someone just by getting pallet stunned. In all scenarios it feels like Legion is wasting their potential by doing this.

That said, how do people use this? Do they just not go in Frenzy until AFTER being stunned by a pallet, then use Frenzy to get their down?

The perks are pretty irrelevant. See, when they rework legion, they never "really" removed old legion from the game. Old legion is just an add-on. It's very same add-on that made Old legion hated. Let me elaborate further. Nurse has an ability called Blink and as everyone knows, Blink allows you to go through objects which devalues pallets, vaults and virtually every tileset in the game. Legion ability increases his movement speed and allows him to vault over pallets and windows, but the drawback of legion is that his ability was gated by deep wound mechanic, a mechanic specifically designed to "weaken" or remove lethality from his power(in his reworked state). Frank tape add lethality to his power and gives him the ability to ignore tilesets exactly how nurse ignores tile sets. Ironically enough, Nurse gets a pass when it comes to ignoring tilesets because her power has large skill-cieling where as Legion's power is look down upon because the skill-cap to achieve same result is considerably lower and therefore more consistent. It begs to question if mechanics such as these should exist and how potent should they be towards overall gameplay experience.

At the end of the day, all of the arguments boil down to being able to 1vs1 a killer because survivor bias players only have fun if they're able to consistently avoid being downed for the entire match. For some reason, The "1vs1" Survivor experience trumps the 1vs4 experience for killer. Old Legion's High dc rates comes from the 1vs1 survivor experience being miserable because regardless of how good the survivor was, Legion could always down them because of brute force anti-loop behavior his power exhibits. This is very same reason why people don't like bloodlust for killers because that mechanic through movement speed increase achieves similar unworthy downs that deep wound has for legion. At the same time, The killer has to eventually down you in a chase because if he can't down enough survivors in a chase before the generator are powered, you simply will never win as killer. I would say the last 2 years of dbd has truly evolved into being a looping simulator where survivors aren't afraid of the killer and the killer ability to provide any meaningful fear factor in a chase isn't really present so long as pallets exist on the map. as such, working on generators isn't scary or difficult, so in that sense, survivor's skill-cap for completing generators is about as skillful as Legion using Feral Frenzy to down survivors.

TL:DR Legion Franks Mixtape/Deep Wound mechanics isn't a fair gameplay mechanic, however the gameplay implications will not really change the outcome of match if the survivors apply the same tactics they use to beat every other killer(Stall chases, Complete generators & Unhook/heal to pip).

I hitted the Obsession with the normal attack. And I was stunned before I started frenzy. As long as I heard the chase music the timer stopped. And If I stand still the Survs started mending. I didnt get someone down without normal hitting. Try it. It's nearly impossible without normal hitting if the surv isnt a potato xD

Ah I See my problem. I thought they just go down. I didnt hit them with ff again. So if I hit them 3 times with ff they are down like with release legion ?

Basically nemesis when your stunned with a pallet for 40 seconds the survivor gets the status effect that makes them immune to tr. So you get hit from the pallet so that removes 5 seconds so you have to be really quick because even if you smack them with ff if nemesis runs out they wont bleed out.

Killers dont see the timer go down. They made it that way so the killer wouldnt know if you were in his TR or not. It goes down on the survivors screen, but not on yours.

It was hard to write that distinction in my post. Potency = how strong something is. How dynamic a mechanic is =how much inconsistency/counter-play a mechanic has. Iridescent head Huntress is very powerful, but it is still dynamic killer. you either miss or hit hatchets. Legion's deep wound mechanic is either garbage because you have no lethality/weak.or strong because lethality is good enough to win. You can be strong and have counter-play, Weak and limit counter-play or strong and still limit counter-play. you always want first one, and don't want other two. Legion franks tape/cold studies fall between 2 and 3 and not really first one. Maybe legion could somehow be juked than he would fall closer to first one. Maybe if for example, if he vaults a pallet, he loses 80% feral frenzy gauge and he has to hit you in like 4 seconds or his power expires, this might allow you to window jukes or pallet jukes. Revaulting a pallet or window ends the power automatically than maybe franks mixtape could be default legion or something along those lines.

If anything, I feel like The Legion needs to be buffed. And that could be the buff they need. Survivors would just have to be more careful to not be the Obsession?