Mind breaker rework idea

It's current Exhaustion effect is near worthless.

I like your idea and it's similar to the one I had. Mine was just gens but with the percentage restrictions that it has now. Basically just replace the the Exhaustion for Oblivious. The option you presented works as well though and people would actually consider running it.

Oblivious is vastly more useful than Exhaustion.

Btw you mentioned Blood Echoes because of the exhaustion effect and that perk is pretty trash as well. Hemorrhage is near worthless and not even worth mentioning, so it's basically a 45 second Exhaustion for being injured during a hook...that's awful and not even close to being worth running. If they also changed that Exhaustion for Oblivious now that would be decent.

It sounds good on paper, but I can see a few issues with it.

Like TAG said, it'd basically make stealth killers redundant, but would also end up being a very frustrating perk for survivors in a couple scenarios.

The heartbeat is basically there to warn survivors working on gens/healing/etc, to start thinking of their next move. Are you gonna hide? Make a run for it? Removing this for 80 seconds is way too strong on certain maps.

Imagine you're working on that one gen in an isolated room on Hawkins, suddenly there's a Billy/LF behind you and you had no idea. Works for those generators in Haddonfield/Badham too in that one isolated room.

Imagine working on a generator in a jungle gym or indoor map while injured, you're very limited to what you're able to see, you don't know the killer is around but they can hear you moaning in pain and the sounds of you working on that gen. Heck, could even be a tier 3 Michael with zero heartbeat.

I think your change sounds interesting, but will end up causing a lot of frustrations for survivor/being really broken in certain situations. Not gonna have a huge impact on gens that are placed in the open, but really broken on indoor maps/gens located in crowded areas/in jungle gyms.

That's just the issues I see with gens, this perk alongside Nurse's Calling would also be a very frustrating combo for survivors on indoor maps. There would definitely be situations where they started healing outside your heartbeat but you might get in the range for it so you can see their aura, they would have no idea you're coming.

I mean asking them to have their eyes open seems like the easiest possible counter play they could ever be asked to do. They already do it when playing against Ghostface and Demi is way louder.

The current exhaustion effect is fine as it prevents survivors from immediately sprint bursting away from a gen when the killer comes, and stops their current exhaustion meters from ticking down while repairing and adds 3 seconds to them. What makes the perk trash tier is the "Under 50%" requirement. If it simply applied its exhaustion effects on every gen repair no matter how progressed they are, this puts survivors in the position of having to walk away from the gen for 3 seconds before being able to use their exhaustion perks, and/or wait until their current exhaustion meters are ticked down enough to allow a speedy escape via their perks before working on a gen.

To be honest, the current effect makes pig ambushes against survivors on gens much more successful since they can't use their escape perks to get away. Same goes for when wraith is coming out of cloak near them, or when Billy chainsaw sprints over to their gen, but because of that stupid "under 50%" requirement, the perk is rendered too situational to be useful since it only takes 41 seconds for a lone survivor without a toolbox to get a gen over 50% and kill the perks effectiveness.

Blood Echo has potential- imagine using this on a Plague or Legion. Now combo it with some other perks (Nurses or BBQ for auras, Bloodhound for tracking, etc.) and it can be lethal.

It may not be good on its own, but its great when combo'd correctly, and far from trash.

I suggested a buff to Mindbreaker a few months ago but it's now gone so I'll repost.

Mindbreaker: While repairing generators below 50% progression, survivors get exhausted for 10 seconds after they stop the repair action. If the survivor is already exhausted, then the exhaustion timer is paused. While repairing generators above 50% progression, survivors scream and reveal their current location for 6 seconds after they stop the repair action within your terror radius. Revealing survivors locations trigger once every 30 seconds.

It includes gen progression limitations on the perk, it isn't at all times. Also, the entire perk is completely hard countered by other survivor perks as well if eyes aren't enough.

It's only a free hit or grab if you're playing at low ranks where no one even knows how to play the game yet. At rank 1 that is not the case. All power to you if you want to believe it would be too strong but that's not the case.

"The op suggested the oblivious works anytime the survivors perform any action so it would trigger everytime."

I was responding to someone who had commented on my similar suggestion that included a progression limitation, not OP's.

"Oblivious counters any aura reading perks and BT on the killer so I'm curious to know what those counters are."

I wasn't referring to aura reading perks at all. I was referring to things like Spine Chill and Premonition. BT also doesn't really have anything to do with what were talking about since we are referencing Oblivious on gens, not how strong Undetectable is on a killer.

"Having played against GF a lot in red ranks and getting hit when he's in stealth says otherwise."

We were referencing grabs more than hits and grabs are extremely rare. Also, unless the survivor is refusing to heal and just gen rushing an initial hit isn't really an issue.

"Stealth killers aren't stupid enough to just run in the open and reveal their locations to everybody. They'll hide around corners, walls, bushes, rocks, anything that'll keep them hidden."

That's true, but it's also true that using that technique costs a lot more time in a gen rush meta which is the reason you don't see it used much. Yeah they aren't gonna walk through the open field but they also aren't gonna go all the way around to come from behind you in a corner for most cases. This leaves them quite able to be seen and prevent a grab.

"It's a lot easier to do this when survivors are working on a gen in a shack, building, behind walls, and especially indoor maps."

Luckily shack is already one of the most safe spots on the maps to be and the amount of indoor maps is much lower than outdoor ones. A situational benefit.

No one ever said Oblivious wasn't dangerous.

"If you think one perk should do literally everything"

That isn't what is does, that's not what I think and that's not what I said.

You are drawing incorrect conclusions on misinterpretations.

"Keeping in mind that is just one aspect of the proposed perk, look at everything else it would supposedly do too on top of it."

That changed version we are referencing did not have anything else in addition to it.

OoO hard counters oblivious..... see object vs freddy... so I'd rather have exhaustion on it..

A big part of the stealth Killer is the lack of a TR. There are other small things too, but giving Oblivious to anyone working on a gen takes away the big thing about stealth Killers. So I would say it makes stealth Killers pointless.

This would make every killer a stealth killer. Wouldn't make much sense playing Wraith when you can just go Hillbilly with a muffler. I agree that mindbreaker is fairly weak (one could say it counters Sprint Burst but not running in a chase for 3 seconds is not difficult and you'll just end up giving the survivor an activateable Sprint Burst).