Devs do something about slow game builds

The people referring to action speed were talking about the actual game stat, not players being efficient. Thats why ppl were talking about toolboxes being able to counter action speed debuffs like thana and nobody brought up keys or moris which just end games prematurely.

I like running STBFL when I can afford it, and BBQ goes on my builds because I can always use more BPs...theres always killers to lvl up and get more perks on. Im not too experienced with Hag, but I HAVE been experimenting abit with infectious fright which is alot of fun. If you can get back to back downs, slugging a survivor is one way to slowdown progress.

Thanatophia seems like a no brainer on Plague since if ANY killer can get the most out of it, it would be her. I do feel like she can make good use out of other perks though instead of full slowdown build. PWYF works really nice on her as well a infectious fright. With everyone being 1 shot-able, using monitor to close in on them before they have time to beeline it to a strong structure can also be handy. I feel like going with the approach of slowing the game down enough so I can break EVERY pallet on the map...is kinda just unimaginative,

I go with your logic here and say that Thanatophobia, even when stacked with Dying Light, barely does anything other than affect survivors psychologically by turning the bar from gens red. Dying Light only starts to mean anything at 4-5 stacks, but you already got a good amount of hooks and pressure, you don't really need that slow down unless you go for a 3 gen strat. And yeah, Monitor and Abuse + Infectious Fright are very strong on Plague, especially with an Apple, you can snow ball really hard with that single corrupted pool and force survivors to cleanse. I especially want to see how good Blood Echo and Nemesis + Play With Your Food are gonna be on Plague.

Forgive me but is the survivors goal not to get the gens before the killer hooks you to death..? My point was to point out how two faced it is to complain about slowdown builds when gens can be done at a fraction of base speed..far more than the killer can slow down

Funny how I do play solo survivor, and reach red ranks playing solo.

Freddy's slowdown is annoying, yes, but its completely beatable. It's fair play, just as how its considered fair play to play with SWF.

Freddy's slowdown perks help prevent the gen rush, which now most killers, if not all killers need some form of a slowdown perk in order to build momentum to in order to pressure survivors. Any player who plays killer at red ranks knows this.

It really isn't hard to make it to red rank as a surivior. What makes it hard is consistently being in rank 1 all the time.

Just because it's beatable doesn't mean it is enjoyable. For example, optimital teams are beatable (If you are very skilled with spirit, nurse, Hilbilly and Huntress), but it doesnt mean killers enjoy going up against them.

Once again, red ranks isn't as difficult as people say it is. The data the devs brought out prove that. However, if we were to focus on rank 1 to rank 2 and above players. You can see a massive different between them(that is from the old data collection the devs gave us).

When you speak of gen rushing, it isn't something that occurs frequently unless you are doing something wrong. Reality is that if it is a solo surivior team, regardless if it is red ranks, they are no where near superior to killers. It's only when they are an swf, that you can see killers being the weakest ones (depending on the killer at least).

You speak of gen rushing, but have you ever actually tried doing a gen by yourself as an solo surivior with every slow down build perk with Freddy's add ons by yourself and still call that game enjoyable? You must be joking, right? Sure gen rushing is without a doubt a problem, but it doesn't mean a surivior should be stuck on doing one thing for more than 120 seconds because how exactly do you see that as being fun?

Right..well I seem to do ok or at least I carry my own weight..bad enough i dont use anything but aura perks atm

Gen Rush: Myth.

Solution: Use slowdown builds and learn how to apply pressure to gens

Slowdown builds: Just learn to hit great skill checks, find ruin, use gen perks and toolboxes instead of trying to be meta with your DS, Adrenaline, Balanced Landing, etc.

Ffs, can the community just learn to play game instead of bickering at each other due to perks/builds? It's like I always say, perks/builds are just that, they revolve around one's gameplay style, not the other way around.

As a solo surivior? Solo surivior is pretty much how a killer feels liks when they are going up against an optimital team.

No I'm pretty sure there are 4 survivors..learning survivor is neither hard nor skillful most of the time..so..comparing any killer to legion is silly as nobody even compares

Forever Freddy FOREVER.

The statistics shows that every killer is viable in red ranks. So it shows that they are killer mains out there, that are capable of constantly winning games.

In my experiance the killers quality goes up due to the punishing emblem system..but not so much on the survivor in

If there were secondary objectives this wouldnt be a problem, until then I think it's pretty fair game to make the match last more than 5 min.

Against bad survivors, yes.

If your team is taking 20 minutes to repair 5 gens, that's on you and your team. If you are well organized, you can still do gens fast enough in most cases. Freddy is a bit of a problem though.

Freddy, with his slowdown addons, Dying Light and Thana can reach up to 50% action speed slowdown, however, it does take some time to get the stacks for Dying Light and Thana as well as his slowdown addons can be removed by healing and waking up. So it's more an average of 25 or 30 % action speed debuff that Freddy applies. 30% repair slowdown results in a gen to take 114 seconds to complete alone. Can be boring, but that's not too op yet.

50% slowdown though means one gen takes 160 seconds to repair alone. And Freddy does have the potential to get close to or even reach that value. That is without a doubt in my mind too much. Way too much. Which is why this game needs an action speed debuff cap. 20 or 25 % would be good in my opinion. Meaning that if mulitple effects that slow down action speed stack, they can't stack higher than up to 20 or 25 %.

This would prevent Freddy being able to use insane slowdown buils, and at the same time allow the devs to add other slowdown perks or addons in the future without having to worry about them stack into oblivion.

The crazy numbers that people refer to though is in the event of everyone being on deathhook, while injured and someone having used their DS partway through. Im just picturing the survivors huddled up going "Wasnt OP at the start, but NOW its OP..."

Slow down builds are literally just a symptom of the ridiculous speeds that games go nowadays.

Fixing the symptom but leaving the problem doesn't really help anything you just going to get a new symptom that arises.

Unless the ridiculous speed at which generators get completed is taking care of people are always going to run slow down builds

Maybe if they reworked the base game instead of expecting perks to fix it, then they would have themselves a fun balanced game.