BHVR, let us TEST kindred basekit

"Pls, a PTB testing isn't much asked for" you think :P

Still +1 but we need a rework of Kindred then XD

I like how the narative has become solos are helpless and weak. Yes, getting bad teammates sucks but four randoms that are independently good can out play any killer.

Giving a powerful perk like kindred to all survivors for free and allowing another perk to take that empty spot would throw the "balance" of the game. Kindred alone would remove any hook pressure for the killer.

As a survivor working on a gen while a teammate gets hooked. I'm not getting off that gen if I see someone else going for the save. Time wasted by two or more survivors going for the save is lost for the killer and it doesn't cost a perk slot.

So what does the killer get in exchange for the increased gen efficiency? Are you willing to make a non-hex version of Ruin basekit? How about increasing base movement speed from 4.6 to 4.8 and 4.4 to 4.6?

I mean not doing well as a solo Survivor because you don't know what other survivors are doing shouldn't be a factor which determines how miserable you do as a team, it's a solo queue specific issue and it is a step towards total Survivor balance.

If you run bad perks and easily get to red ranks then you're probably just play really well or a lot. Kindred isn't op or anything it just fills in the missing information solo queue players would have when they play solo.

Are you saying that having the ability to know when another survivor is going for the save isn't strong and doesn't hurt the killer in any way?

I play solo survivor and don't play in SWFs. That's more than likely why I don't agree to the notion that solos are weak. I feel the ones stating this are thoses that normally play SWF and occasionally solo and try to compare the two. The survival rate is 25%? You know how many times I've seen a 1k turn into a 3k because survivors want to play hero instead of escaping? You should really take the Devs stats with a tub of salt.

I'm saying that solo balance is screwed, and solo is the weakest link. And it's obvious even to most killers, it's obvious to survivors, it's obvious to the DEVs. Is that hard to understand? That survival rate is around 25%, yes. Analyzing why it happens doesn't change that fact. For each of your "do you know how many times survivors...?" I can bring as many "do you know how many times killers/SWF....?". So at the end it doesn't matter and doesn't change the fact: ~25% escape rate.

As for Kindred affecting killer performance. ...how else is it supposed to work? You can't make omelette without breaking eggs.

So what you’re saying is. You want the perks to be good enough that would make a one man survivor better than a 4 SWF team!? Do you have any kind of idea what they would have to do to many killer perks to balance that out? Every killers M1 would have an auto insta down.

Kindred is pretty powerful.

I think a basekit version that shows other teammates within a specific radius of the hook would be fine. That way you don't get 3 teammates around the hook and not realizing it. But seeing ALL teammates at any distance is OP.

So too would seeing the killers aura when he's near the hook.

I find it absolutely amazing that a perk gets buffed to a degree that makes it a dream for solo players, and people don’t think it’s enough. Kindred was worth a perk slot before, now it’s worth more because it means you, the solo player, are now always fully informed as to postions when someone’s on a hook. That is worth a perk slot.

You know what the flaw in the argument of “it needs to be base to bring solos to swf” is? It doesn’t fix the core problem of solos not having people who care about them in game. I ran Kindred almost from the beginning of my player experience in 2017. You know what I saw? Team after team ignore the pink killer right near me and come farm me from the hook. It was beneficial when not with these altruism lemmings, sure, but it was never a guaranteed intelligent save. If you want solos buffed to swf you need to change people’s greedy tendencies, and good luck there. New Kindred at least keeps you the solo from falling into a trap when someone else is hooked. That is a HUGE buff and absolutely worth a perk slot, now more than ever.

You missed my point entirely as well. Kindred does not change the hearts of the other players. If they want to farm you from the hook they’ll do it, visible killer near you or no. I can upload a video of a game where a Leatherface camped me hard, the other two could see him, had enough time to finish the gens and leave, but despite Kindred telling them this, they BOTH came for me and killer 4ked. They got their unhook points though so it was ok. Kindred is an excellent perk for the non lemmings though, and with the buff lets you act accordingly.

Also you didn’t answer my question about what four perks you consider too good to swap in Kindred for if you’re solo - since while you were correct that I strawmanned the word meta, the only interpretation of wanting Kindred as basekit I can come up with is that there are four perks you consider irreplaceable regardless of circumstance to consider swapping Kindred in for.

So to compensate for the power spike in solo players becoming akin to SWF are we making Ruin baseline? Or will Killer players just be forced to play SWF-esq in every match?

This might be my most controversial opinion but I think BOTH Kindred and BBQ should be baseline....

Exactly BBQ is one of the best, if not the best designed killer perk as it gives super helpful information while promoting a much better and more fun game flow.

And the developers answer, globally, that it's impossible...

They invite to experiments, like the one Vanilla in which I participated. And I did not even know for what purpose.

Here, the goal is clear, and this system seems to me perfectly adequate to this proposal. People are volunteers because they are happy to help in the development of the game, and they know they will be compensated.

And then they propose that we do it alone, without analyzing any data, using the perk Kindred... It's a joke? That Kindred is no longer a perk is exactly the point.

I am really clueless. I do not think we understand each other.

You are not looking at the big picture. It changes everything.

You buff solo survivors, you buff the survivor role as a whole.

I am not against survivors being spoon fed all thr information they desire. However you can't just leave the killer in the dust.

If Kindred is base kit, what do you think would be needed to balance the game after such a change?

Slower gen repair? More gens? Hex perks are no longer tied to totems? Maybe survivors have a one hit down? Faster killer speed? Less loops?

I don’t play SWF to be hyper optimal. Typically there’s a newer friend in our group if we’re a 4 man. Newb Friend won’t know how to callout where they are in relation to the hooked player. This lets us optimize even farther.

When I do play with all vets, my wife and I still like running Kindred since it makes things smoother for all involved. Yeah I can say where on the map I am, but being able to look around and see me is going to be overall more information than just “I’m by shack.”

Solo or SWF, I don’t take off Kindred. I strongly dissent with the idea it should be basekit because it’s strong enough to be worth a perk slot.