SWF's ruin the game
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Remove SWF then we won't have to buff killers.
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I guess that is a good idea if you want to kill the game.
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No killers, no game. There are almost no killers in the red ranks, so red rank survivors get paired with green rank killers regularly, disgusting. And when they do run into a red rank killer and get their asses kicked, they cry NERF!
Soon, survivors can have fun repairing gens and escaping without a killer in the game lol. The devs give survivors way too much love.
I wrote that earlier in this thread but apparently my posts are being moderated now? Requires approval of a mod before being visible. Too much criticism I guess, we can't have that now can we.
If I see an obvious coordinated SWF group in the lobby I just leave, they are toxic 9/10 times. As a killer I can get another lobby in 30 sec anyway. Enjoy your 30 minute queue times boys. And keep crying about killers, soon there won't be any left.
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"I wrote that earlier in this thread but apparently my posts are being moderated now? Requires approval of a mod before being visible. Too much criticism I guess, we can't have that now can we" I'm pretty sure it is some sort of anti-spam filter for new forum members not the devs colluding against you.
I don't see your point either while killers may need some buffs for SWF. Killers aren't quitting the game over it. If that was the case there wouldn't be any killer players at this point.
Edit: Also, "There are almost no killers in the red ranks, so red rank survivors get paired with green rank killers regularly, disgusting." Huh, all those red rank killers I went against must have been my imagination then. "And when they do run into a red rank killer and get their asses kicked, they cry NERF!" Contrary to popular belief they don't do this and actually are usually normal people too and just type a gg in the chat and move on. "they are toxic 9/10 times." There is little to no true way to know if you are actually going against a SWF. Heck I've even been accused of SWFing with other solo players because we "joined at the same time" so who knows. Yes they could be in a group or they could not be.
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SWFs are a part of the game and it's something every killer has to deal with.
I personally play with an SWF group myself even though I sometimes enjoy solo survivor. Going up against an SWF shouldn't be too much of a problem, since most of them are overly altruistic and trusts way too much in their teammates to do things competently. You can exploit that to your favour as a killer.
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KIller queue times are almost instant, SWF queue times take forever, between 5-30 minutes. Considering it's 4 survivors vs 1 killer, you can conclude less than 1/5 people play killer. If you look at the difference in queue times you can conclude it's considerably less than 1/5.
Killers need some love or there won't be any left, and that's when the game dies. Nobody wants to queue for an hour.
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Either that or a solo queue for killers. Why should killers put up with that level of crap all the time?
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If the coms were based on distance I would be fine with swf. With cross map talk it feels like cheating to me, but that's just my 2 cents.
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You can only reply a couple of times to a thread before its picked up as a possible spam i believe.
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Exploit it? You mean facecamping to get 1-2 sacrifices, then going AFK for the remainder of the endgame collapse while the rest of the survivors waste time at the exit gates just because they want to teabag you? Sometimes that's all a green killer can do against a group of red survivors.
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I have 10 minute ques as a killer. My ques as a survivor are usually around 3 minutes long...
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What platform do you play on? On PS4, there are practically no queue times as a killer, and there is a desperate shortage of red rank killers. As a green killer you will face red survivors most of the time. As a red survivor you will queue forever. I've cooked entire meals while queuing with 3 friends..
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I am a PC/Xbox player. Dunno how PS4 is.
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When you play against an SWF team, they become very predictable.
If someone is good at looping, you know who to avoid. If someone is altruistic, you know what to do when someone is on the ground or on a hook.
Sure they can be frustrating and bs to go up against, but sometimes the game needs an extra layer of challenge. And SWF provides that in spades.
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The only predictable thing is altruism. Even with the gates open and the killer facecamping a hooked survivor, they will try to save the survivor. This is why I love Bubba. Speaking of.. there should be an option to change killers in the lobby, just like survivors can change characters.
They will also, always, teabag you and specifically wait 1-2 minutes at the exit gates for you to appear just so they can do this. This is why I go afk and laugh at how stupid they must look, controllers in hand, headset on, talking about how they want to teabag me but I'm not showing up.
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People are allowed to play with their friends. To say otherwise is ridiculous and we would have to nerf some of the top Killers if we remove SWF.
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Then introduce a solo queue for killers. Let the killers who wanna sweat play SWF and let killers who want a relaxed game play solo. If SWF isn't such a problem then there is no reason to not have solo queues.
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Then add a solo queue for killers if SWF is not a problem? Let the killers who want to sweat play SWF and let the killers looking for a chill game play solo. Clearly if SWF is not an issue then adding a solo queue won't have an impact.
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The problem is that they're trying to balance the game off of a solo experience when it should be balanced around SWF.
It'd make solo challenging, but who cares? In what game online isn't solo challenging to a degree?
Here's the thing. People have suggested that SWF be moved to it's own queue and the response is always "Well then no Killer would play it and survivors would have to wait forever."
So if that is the case, then tell me this, how is a feature in a game good when ONE HALF of the entire game doesn't want to play against it? Is this really that hard to figure out?
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Well at least from what I read is that they wanted to make kindred basekit and they agreed to not do it, seems like they will not buff solo survivor.
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This never happened. There where plenty of people playing before SWF. It was never taken down after it was implemented.
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I can confirm I keep going against green rank killers. I can also confirm I don't play killer that much anymore, the bad map and game design is getting old and boring. With the current lack of killers or bad matchmaking even playing solo survivor is starting to get boring.
The game can be fun sometimes, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone in its current state. I know the devs have worked hard to balance and improve the game, but there's still a lot to work on.
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