Is NOED really that radical?

I don't know why there is so much hate for it. People talk like it will take down 4 survivors after gens are done, if that happens then it is the survivors fault. A killer should only be able to down one survivor, two max thanks to noed.

The only time I think Noed is a waste of a perk slot is on a Killer that already has an Insta-down. Billy's chainsaw, Bubba's Chainsaw, Myers (except for scratched mirror), and the like.

Even as a solo survivor, you can still break any totems you happen to encounter. You dont need to keep track of EVERY totem to break the ones you see. Often times you'll end up running past totems while working on gens and such. Being in a SWF squad and having voices in your ear saying how many THEYVE broken doesnt change the fact that you should break the one directly infront of you. The only thing keeping solo survivors from countering NOED is the feeling that its a waste of your time doing the totems because others are probably ignoring the totems. You end up having a full squad with this same mindset... Just because you dont want to track down all 5, doesnt mean you shouldnt cleanse the ones you already see.

I do this and NOED still procs. In fact, what ends up happening is the easy-to-find dull totems will all be cleansed and one obscure totem that's near-impossible to find will be left and become the NOED, making countering it difficult.

I kinda like when the killer has Noed tbh

It's cool that they get an powersurge right before the end

Personly i don't use it that much unless on very specific end game builds

I just don't find it very effective

You should worry less about what other people think and say and build what you want to.

This. I usually don't even cleanse the ones I see anymore because it actually makes things worse for the most part. It's honestly best to only cleanse the well hidden totems if you come across them.

Because that statement is usually true. When I go against a bad killer that gets looped for ages, they always have NOED. So many bad killers rely on this perk alone to get kills, instead of actually learning how to play and that makes it an unhealthy perk for the game in my opinion.

My biggest problem though is that there is no totem counter in the game so it makes cleansing totems very annoying for solo survivors and all 5 totems almost never gets cleansed unless I get them all by myself (which takes ages). If only the devs cared about solos more.

Nah, Ruin is worst, more annoying because every killer has it nowadays. Your team just needs to be proactive and take out all five before the last gen pops.

I mean if you read what they said their point was yeah you might have seen one but if you can't talk to the rest of your team how do you know they did any totems or how are you supposed to know how many they have done, why would you waste alot of time searching for what may or may not still be a problem in the future?....was that really hard to understand

I love Killers who run NOED. I break totems when I have a chance, so that means they wasted a Perk slot. If it ever activates, every single Survivor in the game is to blame. The Killer is taking a massive risk bringing it, and if the Survivors are doing their job it will never activate. It is perfectly balanced imo. Having a chance to only run 3 Perks vs a chance to insta-down during endgame.

They'res nothing wrong with noed. Infact! The noed totem if not cleared will spawn near a exit gate so they'res a 100% chance spawn of a totem spawn at a gate if you clear the two it's a variable on where it would be located

That's nonsensical. 4 survivor going down to NOED shows a lack of skill on their behalf.

Killer is still loopable and can't be in multiple places at once even with NOED. Plenty

of opportunities to find and break the totem, pressure exits and pick up slugs/rescue hooked teammates.

The amount of skill required to find, chase and get an M1 hit on a survivor isn't drastically reduced just because of this perk. Sure chasetime overall can be reduced because the killer is faster and only needs one hit to down someone instead of two.

It has the capacity to take them all down

I wonder why everyone brings ruin maybe it's to try and stop gens from being done as fast

One of the big problems with noed is the occasional inaccessible totem spawns. Usually when that happens it's the only totem left and so people can do nothing but hope they don't get touched by the killer. Even though it doesn't happen every game, there's little in this game that can make you feel as powerless as staring right at the totem unable to reach it.

It can do that, but I would say that the survivors are horrible if that would happen.

I'm solo.

Currently running DS/Inner Strength/Lithe (used to be DH but it's currently unreliable)/Detective's Hunch

My team hardly ever goes down to NOED, I make great BP, and I pip almost every game.

Hrmmmm, I wonder why. I also don't struggle vs Ruin...hrmmmmm

If people don't want to run Small Game/Detective's Hunch/Map, or even just cleanse totems as they see them, that's on them.

NOED is trash against a team with even 1-2 survivors running anti-totem stuff.

It feels ######### to play against. You aren't a bad person for running it, but it feels like a scummy perk that gives the killer a free kill that they didn't deserve.

Because it sucks to play a whole game and then be insta downed out of nowhere. No one wants to save you, NOED is up. The difference between this and Adrenaline is that the experience of getting downed is much different for the killer than survivor. Especially when you know you have (almost) no chance of getting out. When getting hit with adrenaline the killer can still manage a few sacrafices. When getting hit with NOED, the survivors entire game has been for not.

I know the whole escaping/sacraficing vs pipping debate. It's up to the player to decide for themselves what matters to them.

It's also a different of win condition if your on the side of sacraficing matters to you. Survivors have two; Survived or Sacraficed/Dead. Killer have five; 0-5 kills.

Many players care about how they did (escaped) individualy rather than how the team did, this is always the issue with asymmetric games.

A popular take on NOED is that it rewards failure in many cases. It activates once the killer has failed to stop generators from being done. Are killers still loopable with NOED? Yes, but they are running on bloodlust from the beginning and with the inconsistency of hotboxes (hit through pallets, etc) there's a potential for a cheap shot. Also, at the end of the game many pallet loops are normally used up, making it much harder for survivors to win chases. Perks seen as counters/equals Adrenaline, Dead Hard, and Devour Hope are simply not the case. Adrenaline is extremely powerful in certain cases (3/4 slugs, in a chase and injured, etc) but in many cases it's basically an involuntary Sprint burst. It lasts 3 seconds and doesn't heal because you were fully healed and then you're exhausted for 60 seconds. Finally, Adrenaline rewards the team for completing their first primary objective, doing 5 gens. Dead Hard may be an insurance perk, but it doesn't have the same effect as NOED in that Dead Hard prolongs the inevitable. It allows survivors to either reach a pallet, or avoid a hit that will come in a few seconds. Usually it only extends a chase a few seconds unless it's used in a good spot where it allows a loop to extend. Devour Hope is not on the tier of NOED because it is as easy as ruin to make disappear. People look for hex totems early game especially with ruin (I run DH without ruin because I want it to be stealthy. It still only procs about once every 4 games, and only once has it lasted long enough for 4 moris). Now, for the 4 down at the end of the game, this is usually due to the altruistic part of the game. If four survivors do all of the gens, in their mind they should have a fair chance to escape. Now if someone gets a NOED cheap shot normally the survivors idea is to help the person get their deserved escape. They feel a sense of duty to the one who gets downed because it is a friendly. Now the killer usually is camping that downed or hooked survivor to guarantee the kill and in solo territory it is extremely hard to coordinate the rescue. It usually leads to another down and another hook. In the end, NOED just generally seems to be a crutch perk for killers who are unable to win the game before the objective is completed. Now in certain cases it's justified, especially in endgame builds that sacrifice early game ability for extreme power at the end. Overall though I believe that this perk is not so much radical as it is detrimental. It doesn't help killers learn to be competent in all stages of the game and gives an unfair advantage that leaves the survivors only defense unviable.

It's a perk that requires communication and team work to prevent, but also survivors are constantly told & dodged by killers for doing those things.