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Plague and Legion
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Plague has way more than Legion. The only thing both have in common is, that most likely everybody will be injured.
Plague has more advantages, like entirely counter to iron will, infect survivors passively ( through infected gens, pallets, windows,...), survivors can infect each other ( when unhooking and also kind of prevents survivors to sit on a gen together if only one is infected), can't hide from her in a locker since it will get visible infected and one teammate cleansing in early game can screw the whole team over and she even has an add on to see auras of puking survivors. If you have a medkit as survivor, it is entirely useless, since it is not even possible to heal 95% of the game.
All Legion has is an useless mending timer, that can be ignored as long as you're running and is gone in 8-12 seconds and killer instinct, which often leads you to a survivor you can't even reach in your ability and get a 4 second stun when it runs out, which gives the survivor enough time to go to Narnia or even finish a gen right in your face.
It's all about the passive things that make Plague much stronger than Legion imo.
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Sounds like you don't play Legion very well
It you know you won't reach survivors with your power you need to cancel it and it will be back when you reach them normally
And while Plague does injure people passivly Legion tends to do it much faster and in a game where gens can be done in 5 minutes or less speed is more important than passivly doing things
I'm not really saying that Legion is beter then Plague or vica versa, i'm just wondering why the difference in tierlist is so huge
Legion is often all the way at the bottom while Plague is like 6 or 7 killers higher and i'm sorry but the things you said really don't sound so powerfull to explain that difference
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The thing is, if Plague brings an apple she can get Corrupt Purge at any time. This puts her way above Legion in terms of lethality. And no, there is no comparable Legion add-on.
This besides the fact there are other ways to force survivors to cleanse. Thana in particular is very effective at this.
Also Plague doesn't need to be right on top of you to get you sick where Legion needs to be on top of you for a Frenzy hit. Heck, Plague doesn't even need to see you at all if you interact with an infected object or survivor you will get sick.
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Well, it is just my opinion.
And this is also rather my point of view from survivor side. I play both sides, but way more survivor ( red rank survivor, green rank killer). Everytime I face a Legion it is much easier to play against him than against Plague. I mean, in some situations you even want to run into the killers knife because it won't do much anyway if he's in ff and you are already injured, you just get a free sprint burst and time to get to a safe loop. Also if he cancels his power, you still get 4 seconds to run away. This is also what I meant in my previous post. Even if Legion cancels his power before reaching another survivor, the survivor has 4 seconds to run away and the chain hit from Legion is gone until his power is recharged.
As Legion you can't always use your power to travel fast. As example: you close the hatch and the exit doors are far from each other. If you use ff to run from exit gate to exit gate, finding the survivor almost opened it, cancel your power - by that 4 seconds they have time to open the exit, take one hit and escape. Same with finishing gens. It's not always an issue but against experienced survivors things like that feel like the situations with old Freddy. 4 seconds is a loooong time.
I'm not saying Legion is bad in general, but I my experience, especially as survivor, it is easier to play against him.
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Being good at piping doesn't equal a good killer. You yourself just said the system is flawed, and Wraith + Legion, both which were/are considered some of the worst killers in the game, are extremely good at piping. Killers like Plague aren't nearly as good at piping due to the system's flaws, so is she a bad killer? You can 4K with a Nurse too quickly and don't pip. Is Nurse a bad killer?The system is too flawed to use piping as a system of whether you achieved a victory or not. A victory in this game is very poorly defined. To accurately say what a good killer is needs to be based of data like downs, chase time, and hooks per game, not how well they pip.
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I do think Wraith and Legion are good killers
While the system is flawed it's what we have
Discussing wich killers are good and which ones aren't is tbh completly pointless if we come up with our own rules
How are the devs looking at this? Are they balancing around pips or are they balancing around kills?
It's all pretty confusing tbh
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Personally...pipping doesn’t mean much to me. Ranks are not as meaningful as players put emphasis on. I can get a 2K and pip my way to Rank 1 with Legion, but did I really win though?
Just because a killer can easily rank up doesn’t mean it’s a win.
Is a 2K “Ruthless Killer” with Legion better than a 4K “Brutal Killer” with Plague? I’ve even gotten an “Entity Displeased” on a 4K with Plague before. Guess I should’ve killed them better.
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I concidder a 2k ruthless killer as a win yes
The 4k entity displeased is bs though
Yeah i'm not sure what to think anymore
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I see what you mean by pipping is a win but I just believe that if an exit gate is not opened then I win.
Legion is strong at pipping but they aren’t actually good at ending chases and sacrificing survivors. You can pip and stay in red ranks forever but the entire team escaped. While killers like Billy are strong at ending chases but can’t pip because the emblem system isn’t kind to killers with instadowns.
Killers like Legion and Wraith are heavily favored on the emblem system and can safety pip without killing anyone because chases last forever and they get a lot of hits on survivors. While killers like Billy and Plague can kill all survivors and get a lot of hooks but still only safety pip because chases end too quickly and they don’t get as many hits on survivors.
The match I got an “Entity Displeased” with a 4K was because I snowballed in the end and slugged everyone. They had two keys and I had to keep everyone down. A player kept me running for most of the match so mostly everyone was hooked once and died on their first hook. I still don’t think you should de-pip on a 4K. Plague is just not great at pipping unless she uses Corrupt Purge frequently.
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Assuming the survivors know what they are doing, then both are effectively M1 killers against a team of no mithers
A key difference is that Legion's power actively hurts him in chases, where Plague's can be used with little penalty and the puking counters hiding/Iron Will
note: i view a "win" as getting a 3-4k before exit gates are powered, Legion against a strong team is very difficult to this with depending on the maps and tile RNG
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I guess the outcome of this tread is that it's hard to know how much a killer is worth because of how open the victory conditions are
I did enjoy reading this though, might play Plague a bit more now actually
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Plague is M1 killer number one. Her power sometimes not even register correctly.
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