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@HP_Refill said:
Pallet looping is no longer an exploit. Devs are constantly working around it. 

Yeah lets call it acceptable exploit that turned somehow into a feature and now is considered core game mechanic by most survivors

For me, someone who prefered the gameplay before looping, its just sad what this game has turned into

@Peanits said:

@Grimzy said:

@RSB said:

@Chi said:
How do you suggest survivors survive?

Hmm, maybe stealth/juking, instead of pure retardness (pallet looping), and complaining how hard is it to pallet loop nowadays?

Orrr..maybe you can get better at being a killer and catch them before they pallet loop your butt?

Now I'm going to stay as objective as possible here, but how do you suppose the average killer (not hillbilly or something with instant downs) catch somebody before they can get to a pallet? Even if you get a surprise attack on someone, with the speed boost they get from being hit, they'll have enough time to get to a pallet and they'll require a second hit to down them.

If you could just decide to kill someone before they can even get to a pallet, that sounds like a miserable time and I wouldn't be interested in playing that side.

Back on topic though, I believe that's the intent, sorta'. Not pallet looping specifically, because pallet looping already hard counters bloodlust (breaking one pallet resets it). But eventually get rid of the longer loops where it may be necessary and then get rid of bloodlust.

I'd like it, frankly. It's not the most solid mechanic in its current state. If you ever actually need BL3 to catch someone, we're talking about 45 seconds of wasting your time running around just for one hit. More often than not when I see it come into play, it's because someone's outsmarting the killer and running tiles the right way (and the killer isn't forcing them to switch directions and run it the slower way), or using LOS blockers to mindgame and switch directions. When it goes off in those situations, it just feels like a participation award, like the game is giving them a free hit because they couldn't catch them otherwise.

Personally I'd love to see something that actually punishes running around pallets over and over, rather than something that punishes you for not using pallets.

Now I am curious.
Do you have any insight knowledge that they will actually rework the maps?
Because the devs actions lately show no intent doing so.

At the moment it looks more like looping will become even easier with improved pallet droping while BL is nerfed heavily at the same time. They didnt even mention anything about reworking maps in the Q&A, did they just forgot about it and its an actual part of the patch?

And I still believe that a competent survivor can easily loop you for more than 45 sec (assuming you play a loopable killer)

And here kids, you can see why our community is considered top notch in the toxicity department

Someone got roasted

@RSB said:

@fakelove said:
Someone got roasted

Who, my dear friend?

I'm talking about @jiminie and @orion, they roast each other pretty hard lol

@Vietfox said:

@RSB said:

@jiminie said:

@RSB said:

@jiminie said:

@RSB said:

@jiminie said:

@RSB said:
Deleting pallet looping and bloodlust?

So killers won't need to deal with braindead exploit, and survivors will have one less thing to whine about?

Aren't you tired of this useless threads you make without even thinking what goes through this little head of yours?

Aren't you tired of having easy survboi games, while everything in the game is against the killers? You get rid of BL, killers get rid of looping, but this is not okay for you, it would be fair only if the killer were nerfed, huh?

Get rid of BL?If you are a good killer you don't need BL in the first place to land a hit, i don't care about BL changes whatsoever
And then, you're saying that survivors shouldn't use everything at hand to try to 'defend' themselves, instead the should run in a straight line until you down 'em, right?

Or maybe stop putting your filthy words in my mouth, read what I said, and stop being a small, 12 year old, survboi strawman? Have you ever tried to juke or stealth? Of course not, because "it is not fun, and looping is the only way to defend, because what? RUNNING IN STRAIGHT LINE, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT? EASY 4KS?! BREAK THE PALLET".

You should calm down, just like juking and stealth, the so called 'pallet looping' you are so afraid of, it's still an option for the survivor to use if he wants to, and if you can't catch the said survivor you should practice more and stop coming here with your 'nerf this and that' threads, it's that ok with you?

Straw man again, aren;t you tired of it? Why are you so afraid of removing your little exploit? I guess you won't survive without it in this game.

Please if you are on PC and see me tunnel me and facecamp me, i don't want to spend more than 5 minutes in a match with salty killers like you.

As you wish, how is your ingame name?

@Peanits said:

@Master said:

@Peanits said:

@Grimzy said:

@RSB said:

@Chi said:
How do you suggest survivors survive?

Hmm, maybe stealth/juking, instead of pure retardness (pallet looping), and complaining how hard is it to pallet loop nowadays?

Orrr..maybe you can get better at being a killer and catch them before they pallet loop your butt?

Now I'm going to stay as objective as possible here, but how do you suppose the average killer (not hillbilly or something with instant downs) catch somebody before they can get to a pallet? Even if you get a surprise attack on someone, with the speed boost they get from being hit, they'll have enough time to get to a pallet and they'll require a second hit to down them.

If you could just decide to kill someone before they can even get to a pallet, that sounds like a miserable time and I wouldn't be interested in playing that side.

Back on topic though, I believe that's the intent, sorta'. Not pallet looping specifically, because pallet looping already hard counters bloodlust (breaking one pallet resets it). But eventually get rid of the longer loops where it may be necessary and then get rid of bloodlust.

I'd like it, frankly. It's not the most solid mechanic in its current state. If you ever actually need BL3 to catch someone, we're talking about 45 seconds of wasting your time running around just for one hit. More often than not when I see it come into play, it's because someone's outsmarting the killer and running tiles the right way (and the killer isn't forcing them to switch directions and run it the slower way), or using LOS blockers to mindgame and switch directions. When it goes off in those situations, it just feels like a participation award, like the game is giving them a free hit because they couldn't catch them otherwise.

Personally I'd love to see something that actually punishes running around pallets over and over, rather than something that punishes you for not using pallets.

Now I am curious.
Do you have any insight knowledge that they will actually rework the maps?
Because the devs actions lately show no intent doing so.

At the moment it looks more like looping will become even easier with improved pallet droping while BL is nerfed heavily at the same time. They didnt even mention anything about reworking maps in the Q&A, did they just forgot about it and its an actual part of the patch?

And I still believe that a competent survivor can easily loop you for more than 45 sec (assuming you play a loopable killer)

I mean, it's always been an ongoing thing. There were some changes to multiple loops in the 2.0.0 update where they tweaked loop sizes to make them less effective and added LOS blockers to allow for some mindgames to close the gap.

They promised mindgame pallets by breaking LOS, but those promises never have been fulfilled.
Most pallet loops are super safe and the survivor sees the killer at any time via his 3rd person view. And then there is the stuff with the red killer stain shining through walls.... well

@Peanits said:

@Master said:

@Peanits said:

@Master said:

@Peanits said:

@Grimzy said:

@RSB said:

@Chi said:
How do you suggest survivors survive?

Hmm, maybe stealth/juking, instead of pure retardness (pallet looping), and complaining how hard is it to pallet loop nowadays?

Orrr..maybe you can get better at being a killer and catch them before they pallet loop your butt?

Now I'm going to stay as objective as possible here, but how do you suppose the average killer (not hillbilly or something with instant downs) catch somebody before they can get to a pallet? Even if you get a surprise attack on someone, with the speed boost they get from being hit, they'll have enough time to get to a pallet and they'll require a second hit to down them.

If you could just decide to kill someone before they can even get to a pallet, that sounds like a miserable time and I wouldn't be interested in playing that side.

Back on topic though, I believe that's the intent, sorta'. Not pallet looping specifically, because pallet looping already hard counters bloodlust (breaking one pallet resets it). But eventually get rid of the longer loops where it may be necessary and then get rid of bloodlust.

I'd like it, frankly. It's not the most solid mechanic in its current state. If you ever actually need BL3 to catch someone, we're talking about 45 seconds of wasting your time running around just for one hit. More often than not when I see it come into play, it's because someone's outsmarting the killer and running tiles the right way (and the killer isn't forcing them to switch directions and run it the slower way), or using LOS blockers to mindgame and switch directions. When it goes off in those situations, it just feels like a participation award, like the game is giving them a free hit because they couldn't catch them otherwise.

Personally I'd love to see something that actually punishes running around pallets over and over, rather than something that punishes you for not using pallets.

Now I am curious.
Do you have any insight knowledge that they will actually rework the maps?
Because the devs actions lately show no intent doing so.

At the moment it looks more like looping will become even easier with improved pallet droping while BL is nerfed heavily at the same time. They didnt even mention anything about reworking maps in the Q&A, did they just forgot about it and its an actual part of the patch?

And I still believe that a competent survivor can easily loop you for more than 45 sec (assuming you play a loopable killer)

I mean, it's always been an ongoing thing. There were some changes to multiple loops in the 2.0.0 update where they tweaked loop sizes to make them less effective and added LOS blockers to allow for some mindgames to close the gap.

They promised mindgame pallets by breaking LOS, but those promises never have been fulfilled.
Most pallet loops are super safe and the survivor sees the killer at any time via his 3rd person view. And then there is the stuff with the red killer stain shining through walls.... well

I know for a fact I've seen some of them go in. Off the top of my head, there's the Autohaven tile with tires stacked on top of the car. It creates a LOS blocker that you can use to mindgame. Combine that was a moonwalk and you can close a lot of distance really fast.

I will throw in a few autohaven offerings and look for that spot

However, I think you can agree that such a change didnt change the way looping works at all and the main loop spots like the killer shack or the big house loops are super safe. For eample in the kiler shack, you see the killer at any time through the wall...

And from my own experience playing survivor, I usually only get hit while looping a braindead loop when I get greedy and think I can make another turn, not because the killer showed skill and mindgamed me. In fact, when they try to this and switch their runing position, then this is when they waste their time and reset the "loop clock".
Autohaven is a perfect example actually, there are so many loops where the tiles are only as high as your legs go, huntress can even throw over it and hit the survivor while not crouched, of course the survivor sees you at all times.

Or take any map with short tree-loops or rock loops. There are always gaps in between the legs or trees where you can see the killer

@Grimzy said:

@RSB said:

@Chi said:
How do you suggest survivors survive?

Hmm, maybe stealth/juking, instead of pure retardness (pallet looping), and complaining how hard is it to pallet loop nowadays?

Orrr..maybe you can get better at being a killer and catch them before they pallet loop your butt?

With pallets every ten feet, how is that supposed to be accomplished?