Hatch change suggestions?

I can understand that people really want to see a change but for me personally, the hatch isn't a problem at all. The closing mechanic seemed ok, but i can imagine survivors just hiding out somewhere, keeping the game hostage, and making it even longer instead of actually doing something

Having 3 kills as killer is great already, having a psychological battle with another player by simply waiting, just for getting the 4th kill, it just seems so absurd for me.
People can do what they want but i rather just roam around looking for a survivor out in the open and feeling Lucky, than creating a waiting game to see who presses M1 first.
But again, that's just me.

You posted this same thread twice. Once in here, and once in balance suggestions.

http://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/895/hatch-change-suggestions#latest

Killer being able to close the hatch is a good thing. Maybe make it where if the killer closes the hatch, the survivor can do a gen and it'll open back up. I also like the idea that after certain period of time after the exit gates are opened, the auras of survivors are revealed to the killer. Gets pretty old waiting for survivors to leave the game. Would also stop those few from taking the game hostage and trying to force the killer to dc.

Because of a bug my comment got duplicated and posted 3 times here.
I'm posting it like this so they can easily find and delete it.

I like that last suggestion because then killer has  to make a choice. Do I camp this switch or do I patrol gens? 

Remove it. It can't be balanced and shouldn't be in the game anyway. It's silly.

It is simple. And this really helps SWF too. If you're SWF and you don't find the hatch before the killer... then too bad.

If your solo, it can feel harsh... as you weren't SWF, killer was good and only got the 2/5 gens done to have a chance to get out.

Overall this hatch shutting is an great move. Very well done. Survivors aren't entitled to get out. It now is an equal chance. Besides the killers rare find the hatch before survs anyway.

Hatch change = great change

@GolgiNea said:
The killers ability to close the hatch is not ballanced at all. You're lucky to make it that far in a trial to begin with, let alone complete one more gen to re-open the hatch. It will be nearly impossible to get a hatch escape with the killer just patrolling the last remaining gens.

Here are my suggestions on making it more ballanced:
Remove killers ability to see gen auras when one survivor remains in the trial.
Remove the ability for the killer to grab a survivor from the hatch if the survivor has found the hatch first or has re-opened the hatch.
Give the survivor a significant speed buff to completing the gen they need to re-open the hatch.
Hatch can only be closed by the killer once per trial.
Alternative switch for the hatch to be re-opened that the survivor & killer have to find somewhere in the level.

A combination of these suggestions could make the hatch change more ballanced and more fun for everyone.

absolute rubbish. a guy in my game made it that far he did one and abit gens before i found him. its about time a change like this happened. so no these changes are not needed. if you cant even manage to do a gen. you dont always deserve a free win. more fun for everyone. how is it fun if the killer suddenly cant grab the survivor and just stand and look and be like oh yeah "il do nothing"

@GolgiNea said:

@dannyfrog87 said:

@GolgiNea said:
The killers ability to close the hatch is not ballanced at all. You're lucky to make it that far in a trial to begin with, let alone complete one more gen to re-open the hatch. It will be nearly impossible to get a hatch escape with the killer just patrolling the last remaining gens.

Here are my suggestions on making it more ballanced:
Remove killers ability to see gen auras when one survivor remains in the trial.
Remove the ability for the killer to grab a survivor from the hatch if the survivor has found the hatch first or has re-opened the hatch.
Give the survivor a significant speed buff to completing the gen they need to re-open the hatch.
Hatch can only be closed by the killer once per trial.
Alternative switch for the hatch to be re-opened that the survivor & killer have to find somewhere in the level.

A combination of these suggestions could make the hatch change more ballanced and more fun for everyone.

absolute rubbish. a guy in my game made it that far he did one and abit gens before i found him. its about time a change like this happened. so no these changes are not needed. if you cant even manage to do a gen. you dont always deserve a free win. more fun for everyone. how is it fun if the killer suddenly cant grab the survivor and just stand and look and be like oh yeah "il do nothing"

You're only touching on what you dont like. My suggestion to have an alternate switch or key for the hatch somewhere hidden from the survivor AND killer can be a more fun equalizer for both. That way if the killer wants to camp all the gens to make it impossible to do one, then the survivor can look for the key or alternative objective. And if the killer is looking for the key it gives time for a gen. It helps make it more fun for both sides.

I agree there needs to be some other way to open the hatch. I have been playing with it since the PTB released on both sides and I have yet to see the survivor win that fight. If the hatch gets closed, the survivor is dead. I even did manage to complete another gen that was near enough done in order to open the hatch once in a match, but the killer just ran straight back to the hatch and closed it before I could get there seeing as he was closer...and yes I gave them ample time to have moved away from the hatch before I popped that gen.

@PeanutSmash said:
There should be another to open the hatch afterwards... I mean i've been playing for 1000 hours and I NEVER been able to do a gen alone in the game.

I have. Low-rank game right after rank reset with three rather new teammates ... killer was hag and had Ruin. Soon as the three noticed Ruin was on they DCed. I had just gone through a number of such bad games and didn't want to lose another pip. So I cleansed the Ruin totem and did two gens all alone. The hag had Insidious and at that time 100% regression on damaged gens was already a thing which didn't help at all. What did help me though was Urban Evasion ... Problem is, the totem + two gens took me almost an hour overall, it was kind of thrilling for me to evade the killer (though not for the killer, he was raging afterwards), but I wouldn't want every game to last 1 1/2 hours because of hatch game.

This is my main concern with the hatch change, that endgames will drag out forever. Unfortunately I'm not on PC and can't play PTB, so no 1st hand experience. But, I imagine even finding a closed hatch that makes no whoosh sound anymore can take a significant amount of time already (you have to avoid the killer after all ...). Sometimes I have to look very close even if I hear it's near. Noone will work on a gen until he knows where the hatch is, so the game could get really boring for the killer as it might be 10-15 minutes until the last survivor starts working on a gen again ... unless he has Whispers.

Even if i can do one the killer would have to just go and close it again... Just remove the hatch at this point... Why having a way to get out as the last survivor if it's almost impossible to get.

Was kind of my thought as well. Just as there are situations where the killer has deserved to let the last survivor not escape that easily, there are also such where a good survivor has been totally screwed over by his team which he had no control over (at least in solo queue). A fair hatch game would probably have 50/50 chances and should be designed to be over rather quickly and not drag out the game for too long.

I won't be complaining though, if the change goes through to live, I'll probably go from solo survivor to full 4SWF, if I have full control over my team and I know everyone is about my skill level, not making any stupid plays, and always doing his best then I can probably accept that the hatch is in favor of the killer.

JarJarBlinks said:

It's fairly simple actually. The killer has a choice to either camp the hatch or patrol gens. When you're the last survivor left you have plenty of gens to choose from. Just do some work on all to confuse the killer. This fix is after all ment to fix the whole hatch stand off. And as it is right now most killers lose those points because survivors can just pretend to be AFK on hatch and who the hell wants to waste 30+ minutes standing on the hatch? Entitled survivors..

This wouldn’t work. If you’re the last survivor you usually don’t have plenty of gens to choose from unless your team did 0-1 gen. If for example you have 2 gens left that means there’s 4 left on the map which is not much to choose from. You said to do some work on all the gens that’ll take a ton of time and it most likely won’t even work. In theory it sounds good yes but the killer will just kick all the gens as you’re moving from gen to gen eventually catching you. Even if you manage to pop a gen the killer is faster than you anyway so they’ll just go back and close it again then you have to do that all over. So it’s not much of a choice the killer has to make. That may not be 30+ minutes of standing on the hatch but it’ll certainly be a 30+ minute standoff of a different kind assuming nobody messes up. What’s most likely to happen though is the killer will patrol the three closest gens to the hatch, let you pop the rest and then just wait for you to try and do the last one. In this situation the survivor didn’t have a chance at all they just didn’t know it until they got to the last gen.

They should give an indictor to where the hatch is for the last survivor like they do with the gates

@GolgiNea said:
The killers ability to close the hatch is not ballanced at all. You're lucky to make it that far in a trial to begin with, let alone complete one more gen to re-open the hatch. It will be nearly impossible to get a hatch escape with the killer just patrolling the last remaining gens.

Here are my suggestions on making it more ballanced:
Remove killers ability to see gen auras when one survivor remains in the trial.
Remove the ability for the killer to grab a survivor from the hatch if the survivor has found the hatch first or has re-opened the hatch.
Give the survivor a significant speed buff to completing the gen they need to re-open the hatch.
Hatch can only be closed by the killer once per trial.
Alternative switch for the hatch to be re-opened that the survivor & killer have to find somewhere in the level.

A combination of these suggestions could make the hatch change more ballanced and more fun for everyone.

The hatch closing right now is in a good state here is why.

If your whole team dies before you finish all the gens, than why should you be more rewarded for escaping. It should be a challenge to escape from a killer vs only 1 survivor. As a team you can escape from the killer, but when you are the last one left it should be a challenge. As stated a couple times you have left behind which is a perk to help progress gens quicker. If the killer finds the hatch before you, why should it always be in your favor as the survivor. They finally put in a mechanic that gives and edge for the killer and rewards the killer for finding the hatch instead of finding the hatch and not securing the kill because they weren't able to close it before.

I can see why you think it is unfair, but from the killer perspective you can say the same if the rng makes it spawn near the survivor and they would make the escape. Some people have their own opinions on the way on how to reopen it and you all can keep pumping out ideas. Personally from my take on it, I don't see why they need to change it.

@Peanits said:
Being the last survivor isn't necessarily a feat, though. If things are going poorly and I hide in a corner, I'll be the last one alive, but it doesn't mean that I should be on a level playing field with the killer. The difference is that the killer has to earn it. They don't just end up killing the other three survivors by chance. At that point, they've done tremendously well and to put them on a level field with someone who just happened to be the last to die seems unfair to me.

Yeah, I don't know about that. Most of the time when I'm the only survivor left, it's because I did gens by myself while the rest of my team hook dived and got downed by the killer after 5 second chases.

That's not skill or doing "tremendously well," on the killers part. & it's bullshit that a survivor that did well has a .00002% chance of surviving, because they were teamed up with a bunch of blind babies that run directly into the killer or unhook each other directly in front of the killer.

@Peanits said:
I don't think it's that unfair, actually. Being the last one alive doesn't warrant a free escape. If the killer finds it first, that's fair game, he beat you to it. If you manage to get another generator done, you get another shot at it.

I feel like giving the survivor a speed boost and preventing the killer from grabbing you basically just means a free hatch escape for the survivor. The killer wouldn't be able to do anything to stop you. Even if he hits you once, you'll just sonic off into the hatch.

If anything, the one thing I would change is respawning the hatch in a different location each time. Having it in the same place makes it a little too easy for the killer to get back to it first and makes it possible to camp the hatch (staying closer to the hatch than any of the remaining generators so you can always close it before the survivor can get to it).

My exact thoughts.

@Peanits said:
I don't think it's that unfair, actually. Being the last one alive doesn't warrant a free escape. If the killer finds it first, that's fair game, he beat you to it. If you manage to get another generator done, you get another shot at it.

I feel like giving the survivor a speed boost and preventing the killer from grabbing you basically just means a free hatch escape for the survivor. The killer wouldn't be able to do anything to stop you. Even if he hits you once, you'll just sonic off into the hatch.

If anything, the one thing I would change is respawning the hatch in a different location each time. Having it in the same place makes it a little too easy for the killer to get back to it first and makes it possible to camp the hatch (staying closer to the hatch than any of the remaining generators so you can always close it before the survivor can get to it).

2 salty survivor mains disapprove of your logical feedback and downvoted without any counterplay. WEEEEAAAAAKKKKKK

@Saint_Judas said:
I think part of the problem is many people main one side or the other, and thus, understandably, want a game that is more fun for their side. Many of the new update mechanics were very punishing for survivors, especially those who maybe are not the top class, or those who were but were used to certain mechanics being in favor of them. As it was it was really entirely up to the players teamwork which side won, and if both sides were of equal skill but the survivors worked together, it was stacked in their favor everytime. How do I know this? Because almost every game I work with my team we win, or at least half of us do. When we don't work together we fall apart. As a killer I notice this too, I main Freddy and yet I'm steadily climbing ranks, and I have to ask, why? Freddy is the worst killer and I am no god, I miss my lunges and midgame myself, not to count how often I fall for stuns or let myself get genrushed doing a single chase. Yet every few rounds I win. And I notice its because they don't work together.

And that's how its supposed to be really. The game is meant to be stacked towards the killer, and even though I main survivor, the rounds most hard-won are the most rewarding. The emblem system even encourages this, easy wins tend to not give much reward. So the fact that this mechanic challenges survivors and makes it so losing your team is a bad thing is great, even from a survivor perspective, because it encourages better team play. It encourages you to maybe go that extra mile, maybe your teammates will learn to hide better, maybe you will start bringing flashlights or bodyblocking, maybe someone starts running bond so they dont accidentally scrape the killer onto others. You are meant to adapt! But I digress

Thank you for the compliment, really though I just love having discussions like this, getting input and viewing the problem from multiple people and angles helps us all see better the pros and cons of how it currently is and brainstorm how to make it better

I'm a killer main and I've stated this kind of bias in the past. I want fair changes. I want balance. It doesn't take a genius to see that survivors are stupid OP. Especially when I can go from playing killer, outplaying the survs, and somehow they win, and I only safety pip at most, and then go to surv and win without even breaking a sweat and even decide to bully the killer because why not? The devs want me to be OP enough to bully the poor soul. I want actual balance. I am tired of the survs being the power role when the advertisement for this game falsly states killers are the power role.

The issue is just because you are alive doesn't mean you deserve the hatch escape. There are so many ways to be the last survivor alive and almost none of them make you deserve a hatch escape.

@SuperRavenSn1per said:
The issue is just because you are alive doesn't mean you deserve the hatch escape. There are so many ways to be the last survivor alive and almost none of them make you deserve a hatch escape.

What he said^ I mean what idiot can't run around a piece of wood?

@CallMeRusty420 said:
Survivors are the scum of this game. Entitled, greedy, selfish, and nothing but wannabe bullies since real life hasn't been to nice to them and they watched a few Ochiduh videos. Survivors are scum.

Christ, do you read your own posts before you press submit or do you just spit out this massive ball of misplaced rage and call it a post? You seriously need to take a massive step back.

I hate this hatch situation a lot & I think it's 100% unfair and not at all balanced, but I'm not going to demonize people who play killers.