The hatch

I’ve talked about the hatch before and I recommended they change it into a mine elevator that can only take 1 survivor after they repair it and power it up with 3 gens.

Unless someone calls it with a key back up.

Unfortunately the hatch mechanic overall was poorly designed.

But hey I would add and a change all kinds of stuff if I could to make the game more interesting.

for me, the hatch keeps the game intresting to the end. When i play survivor, i play solo most of the time.

that means you have mates that disconnect if the killer sees them, or die on the first hook because reasons.

When there are 2 survivor left, its about who is found first. Yet, i do gens anyway, and hope the other one does as well (often, he doesn´t). Yet you have something to keep playing the game. if all works out, you might escape together, if not, you can still make it.

If the hatch was gone, you could just throw away the game after the first disconnect, because in a 3-1 situation early the most likly outcome is known.

I would propose that the two Gens left over be changed to hatch gens... complete one of them to have access to the hatch but only open it with a key

Ima just be that one guy that says "IF KEY GO MORI GO. SIPATICO(which isn't simple in Es Pan Yole btw.)"

In all seriousness, people who have an argument about saying hatch is a sucky addition, I feel it's for that one solo surv Viv vor dat ran the killer around for ten mins while three blendettes sat the corner warping out of existence.

But what about SWF? You may axe. Your friends could be potatoes with sticks and motors attached walking around in that repetitive *whhaa whhay whwoa* every time they take a step.

What if you just did bad? Then you don't deserve it. In that situation, you sucked and got a free escape after watching your teammates do work. Maybe something like a person in specific does x amount of gens or has x amount of match points.

We shouldnt have exits period

Meh. Keys are fine. If there are 3 Survivors alive when the hatch appears AND they have a Key then they earned it.

Take Franklin's if you have a hard time taking down the Key Wielder. Or take a Mori.

I dunno.

i remember hour long games from back in the day.. could easily hold people hostage

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Your reaction to Peanits is strange.

He explained how it is currently better than it was, and that one Survivor being able to get out isn't desirable [for the Killer] it is better than the alternative of having an endless game for both because the last Survivor never wanted to risk anything once Hatch closed when the EGC wasn't a thing which is an issue both sides had to deal with. This isn't even mentioning Hatch stand offs.

He never said it was unfair for Survivors.

I don't have an issue with the hatch. However I can not understand why keys are a thing. It bypasses so much of the game.

The way pipping is set up you don't need to do much of anything to pip as survivor...you especially don't need to survive. Killers need the hooks and kills to pip and the keys rob them of a chance for that.

As a killer my only real counter for a key is an ebony (if they bring the key...if they find it in game i'm screwed). I can make sure everyone is gone before the hatch even spawns. I absolutely hate doing that though as it robs me of points and I don't find it fun.

I don't know why but I think it would be funny if you had a key and you opened the hatch, but only you (the person who opened it) could leave the match. This means, you would leave your team behind and start EGC. I think it would make keys more balanced but there're other issues with it.

I've had matches were people would leave through the hatch and I lost the game, or I would leave with other people and they lost. It's very unfair and I think keys need a change. Also, I think funny watching your teammates die, especially if they were bad.

Why do you think dying is a punishment? Survivors still pip when they die.

Killers need all their hooks.

In order to "finish" a Gen keys could be used to turn them on... lol

But anyway I think the hatch should spawn as normal if there only one survivor left but if 2 survivors or all gens are done the hatch spawns closed till one exit door is open or a key is used

I don't consider pipping winning.

What should 4k mean else? And as I said, depends on how you get it. Mori is not the only way to have a quick end. Selfkills or slug to bleed out for example or camping. And also to repeat: I know the current emblem system does not work properly, like killers with insta downs getting punished to not make "2 hits" on a survivor but just one.

This honestly seems like the most reasonable compromise, since it a) allows for the 'where did they go?' achievement, b) still makes keys useful for end-game escapes and c) encourages players to complete objectives while still giving the last survivor hope for a clutch hatch escape and isn't biased towards either killer or survivor since the killer can't find it before it spawns either.

You know, I only have one real complaint about the hatch.

Survive with friends groups who strategically mass disconnect after the first down/while losing. They hold out on the hook until their friend says in the voice call "okay I'm on the hatch" then they quit/leave game and their friend goes through the hatch.

Often they will gloat in post game chat about how it was "worth the dc" for their friend with the best item to make it out of the hatch.

I often slug the second last person so I can hunt the last person, to counter this. If a group did not have voice chat outside of game, they would struggle on the hook to give the last person time to find the hatch, but instead I have to contend with people who automagically know exactly when to give up on the hook - because their friend found the hatch or made it to it. And sometimes slugging the second last person doesn't work - the person will dc which counts as a death and the hatch opens. I've had to start recording my games so I can report this kind of strategic and unsportsmanlike DC, and its literally my only problem with the end game collapse - played collusion outside of game to which there is no counterplay because it is strategically based around yanking your internet cord to let your buddy out.

For keys:

I'd notify the killer of the hatch location when it spawns, and give another notification when someone starts using a key on it. 15 seconds opening time with three very difficult skill checks. Only one skill check needs to succeed but failed skill checks add another five seconds. If all skill check fail the hatch stays closed and the key becomes a broken key with the same addons. Other addons can be added that relate to the opening action.

Green Mori: one survivor can be killed once all survivors have been hooked.

Ebony Mori: same as above, and all survivors can be killed once exit gates are powered.

Moriing a survivor gives more bloodpoints which can go above the 32k cap

The actions of unlocking the hatch and moriing a survivor cannot be cancelled once started.

My point is that he should depip when facecamping and getting punished for it. What else would be a depip if not that? And that would make him jump up and down in ranks. A good ranking system should just keep you in the rank where that strategy seems to work but not raise you even higher with a mediocre strategy. When you get better than that, you should rank up. No rankup to give you a taste of higher ranked survivors and how they crush you to depip you.

But we get offtopic here, almost could make an own thread for it

I never really thought about this but I actually agree. Keys and the hatch can be VERY annoying. Especially when you as killer put in so effort into chasing and killing survivors that are sometimes hard to catch (especially if you’re lower in the ranks) and you down and kill one and the other three just jump through a hole and win. It’s not fun tbh