Please BHVR, listen to killers more

I mean, they did it to DS and there was a big stink about it for weeks. That change was under the same concept I believe, that the perk was unfair to play against and a lot of people used it. (I could be wrong if that was their main reason to the nerf).

This is about the same, except Killers are now claiming the game will die because no Killers will exist after the change, which as a Killer main myself, I find that to be a funny response to the change itself. If this was to open up avenues for builds, than yes that would be their next goal.

I'm not entirely sure on why they changed Ruin, but I personally don't mind the change. If they did so with Survivor perks, than I also wouldn't mind. As for others, that's another story. (I play both sides, so that's why I said "I wouldn't mind", as despite being a Killer main... I do play both sides frequently, I just play Killer MORE)

But I do know this, a perk change doesn't mean the entire Killer population will suddenly die, which was the main point of the post. So, in my personal opinion, players are jumping the gun over it.

Saboteur

Selfcare

MoM

WGLF

All of those become a joke after a nerf at some point and you barely see them

It's not so much listening to killers, it's nerfing killers to where they are irritating to play.

When they announced Nurses "add on rework" the whole community agreed. What did the devs do? Lie to us and nerf her base kit and give her ######### add ons.

They announced changing a few things for Spirit. What did the devs do? They kept their word, but took away her base kit post phase movement speed, and shadow nerf her sounds which made her more irritating to play as.

Doctor, can literally stop survivors from dropping pallets or vaulting after shocking them, but the devs gave him a 3 second cooldown until he can attack after shocking.

I get your point, but the problem just isn't the devs not listening to killers, it's simply the devs are making killers more annoying to play

They have changed multiple times over the years not just once. The time frame doesn't matter as they are now more balanced. That's the thing with meta perks its not about them being used but also about the impact on the game itself.

Of course DS is weaker. Originally it could be used by anyone on pickup and never had the timer. I have to question if you actually knew how the original DS was upon its release. The only way to try and counter to the changed DS previous to this was juggling the survivor which meant time wasted along with more chances for body blocks or flashlight saves.

This new one is a far cry from the old ones but that's not to say it isn't still strong and is in a good place with how it is.

Yes I see DS in a lot of games but not everyone like people claim it to be. I see it maybe on one survivor in most matches and see players running unbreakable more nowadays. The simple fact of having one obsession makes killer slug more to counter it.

Unbreakable was never meta but now it seems to be becoming it.

Spine chill and Resilience were also hardly seen but are seeing a surge in usage.

That's the thing juggling only worked via solo queuers as any competent SWF would be able to easily counter it so the killer wouldn't get the hook and be forced to chase the other player. It only truly worked when they were doing it to the last one alive.

While those perks helped they were all just a soft counter which didn't do much and why It was always complained about almost every day on the forums.

That's what I mean by the change. Before from my experience it was very uncommon to not see 3 or 4. The meta is shifting to perks which help more it gens or slugging than from being picked as the change has made killers think about picking up anyone if they see an obsession.

I think the reason for this is how often DS does get activated now. I personally see it activate a lot less in games even if it's there and so it becomes a dead perk not worth running such a the mindset is I won't be picked up after a hook anyway.

If you look at the perks used in the past to now some are obviously still used but there are a lot more in rotation than there has ever been.

Generators get done in 4-5 minutes? That's not looking good for you as a killer. Personally I saw sometimes 2 DS users and you know? I don't care, I don't tunnel, let's say the "a whole inmunity minute" is a true fact as many claims. There are 3 survivors more, if you, knowing that fact, still refuse to leave that single DS survivor, then you deserve that DS hit. Personally I found myself that due to the map size, a minute is easier to avoid if you're not tunneling.

As a killer you need to know when it's good to "loss a chase", think about the killer's shack, it's a well known infinite, a survivor is there and you spend 5 mins only to give him a hit and 2 or 3 gens pop up at that time. Would be rasonable for you to come here complaining about gen speed? I understand, the map design is bad at the moment but that's not the point. If you refuse to leave that single survivor who just run into that infinite then it's your fault if every generator gets done, the survivor didn't force you to stay there, you decided it.

If any of this changes are huge nerfs then I think Adrenaline should give 3 seconds of Sprint instead of 5 because that's the only thing wrong with it. Or No one Left Behind insanely OP just take away the BP bonus and boost the action speed.

I bought 2 dlc of killers and I regret not having bought a train simulator with that money

They need to address map sizes and maybe consider giving survivors something to other than gens (just holding a button down is boooooring) and definitely even up the killers too. In my opinion every killer should be viable in some way on all ranks. Trapper in red ranks should play different but be just as deadly as Nurse for example.

If the match-making wasn't pairing them with higher ranked Survivors, than they wouldn't have an issue when it comes to gens flying...

As it would pair them with Survivors or Killers that're equally in-experienced, so the issue wouldn't be as bad for the low ranks.

I've also argued before the Corrupt Intervention can be equal or better than Ruin, other Hex's like Devour Hope (surprising I know), and Huntresses Lullaby with 4-5 tokens are as strong or stronger than Ruin in some regards.

Yes, these Hex's require set-up time UNLIKE Ruin which doesn't, but a Hex perk isn't supposed to last more than a minute, it's a gamble, if the gamble pays off that that's good for the Killer... if not, than they try next game to see if it'll work this time.

Corrupt Intervention doesn't have this issue though, so that's why it's considered equal or better than Ruin. You can still have a set-up time with Trapper using Corrupt, or Hag with Corrupt, or even Clown with the proper perks that can lessen the map pressure issue.

But I do agree that the lower-tiered Killers do need a sort of buff to help them out with some of their own personal issues, but one issue at a time...

Yes, this was already said above...

The point I was trying to make though is that other options exist that're equal or better in some regards. The gen rushing issue really depends on the Killers skill alone and just how the game is structured to go through generators.

We'll see how they handle this in the coming days of the 3.5.0 release, but I personally feel that everyone is freaking out over nothing, which happens when any meta perk is nerfed.

I do want to say though, since Dead Hard has the survivor meta changed? Yes and no. But if we have a nerfed ruin, then what’s going to even the odds? Killers can still be rushed and either way no one likes a slug meta, it’s boring and I know this too well.

Hi all,

Old killer main here from when the game was about 9 months old. In my time of playing I have seen the following:

1. Devs denied the existence of infinite loops ( until youtube videos started croping up).
2. Denied that killers needed a mechanic to end chases for like a year ( they had to after streamers were showing the math)
3. they implemented game mechanics without proper testing (insta flashlights and DS and original BT combo)
4. they nerfed original freddy after only 1 week to the point he was a meme. Never refunded people who bought the DLC due to steams return policy.
5. They had 2 times a community wide killer strike that both times lasted over a week forcing survivors to play killer. ( 1hr+ queue times)
6. The second one was when Matt told people if they dont like what they are doing they can go play Civ 6. Resulting in the second dark times. (again resulting in queue time close to an hr)
7. 5+6 Tanked player base that took months to recover from.
8. Things killers would like fixed take YEARS to address. Where as survivors get one sided fixes in as little as a week. aka no solution to SWF Power roll, no addressing 3-5 min games. 2 yrs for a end game collapse ect ect ect. I do not trust the devs at this point. they dont act quickly enough on game issues for both groups and as a result it hurts the game. They focus on low level 80-200hr players but not about the ranks. There are no hard decisions or penalties to survivors. Side note the only reason the flashlights were nerfed was bc Matt was in a live stream and got bullied by a team of survivors for idk how long like 30 min or something.

Heck, even a system akin to Identity V, with pre-made pings that give info and point you in the direction of who said it. And certainly show other survivors perks too.

It's just coms would likely be easier to implement, and would let them focus more on the balancing half. And of course, would have a mute system, just in case