Spirit nerf seems ok except...
I don't mind that she doesn't have collision now since I don't rely on it but why not vaulting animation? I only use this for the shack loop but still it is very helpful.
Please devs, don't add this
Also I'm so relieved that they didn't gut her. I can stll destroy SWF teams 😈
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Right the no vault was a fun little thing with her I loved it
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Because 1 out of 17 killers didn't have a vault animation.
This is an unbalance. I don't know how this is so difficult for people to grasp that it's unfair. Even the Nurse has a vault animation.
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Why does she deserve a no vaulting animation and everyone else doesn't?
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She could be phasing, she could be vaulting the window, or she could just be standing there. I'm sorry but I disagree I find the vault animation reasonable due to the fact that you can still fake a phase ect.
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It's part of her basekit. Don't forget that spirit is all about mindgames
Post edited by Rin_is_my_waifu on6 -
I'm more curious to see her new vault animation. She could throw her sword over the window and teleport to it
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I don't think anything they did to the spirit wasn't warranted. The new prayer beads will be so much better.
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You spelled "guessing" incorrect.
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I rarely used it but it is trash now. There is no reason to run it over any other add on
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I can still see the mind game part being there with the new beads. There just won't be as much gen surprises. Even then, it's not like they nerfed her right in the ground. Most of the changes are pretty subtle and give survivors a better chance to live. Albeit, she can still pop up out of nowhere and make someone crap their pants!
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Spirit was never about mindgames. She still won't be.
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Probably not...but it would be cool
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Her power is already super strong, does she really need to be able to mindgame during vaults?
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Basically for the reason you've said. You go to a window (like shack)- which can easily be dealt with through mindgames and knowing how to run the tile- and the survivor has literally no way to tell if you're actually vaulting or if you're just standing there. If they stick around to wait and see, it's too late. If they start running around and find out that you were really just standing there, it's too late. It's a blind gamble and something we'd like to avoid.
We'd like for the mindgames to be something you actually do, not something that just happens for you.
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Only 1 out of the 17 can teleport through walls on demand, puts traps down that survivors get stuck in, throws hatchets, makes survivors sick etc....
That is just a stupid argument for why something should be changed. That is literally saying no killer should have something unique.
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To be fair I got downed by this once as survivor for the first time, and I thought it was the coolest thing at the time. I mean it was something that actually surprised me; something this game rarely does anymore given how everything becomes more and more about doing the same things.
I would rather more tricks like that and the game balanced around them existing than removing them...but that is just me, and that is a lot of work I guess...but still shame to see it go entirely.
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Honestly, the Spirit change doesn't look that bad except for Yakuyoke's amulet, that add on looks like its going to be a bad add on. You get an extra 3.5 seconds for the haunting, but you go -15% slower, that doesn't seem like a very rare add on, and it should be dropped to rare rating.
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But thats pretty much up to the survivor though
If a survivor is that close to the window he is asking for it
And this was part of her mind game, this is the only change I do not aprove of this recent announcement
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A mindgame is something you do to outsmart someone, it's not running in a straight line after someone and leaving them with no way to tell what you're doing. You can't really expect the survivor to not be close to the killer unless you give them a way to always maintain distance from the killer, which is tricky when the killer can turn invisible and catch back up at 7.2m/s.
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Standing still isn't a mindgame mate...
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You're talking about everything, other than a vault animation.
They ALL have a vault animation, except Spirit. You can say oh only Trapper can put a trap down! No #########? That isn't what is being discussed.
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You are discussing things that make killers unique. Be that a power or a vault animation, there is no difference.
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This, exactly this. Base kit is base kit for all killers. Powers are the flavor.
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I completely agree with you - that's also why I'm a bit surprised you didn't add an animation for when just starts phasing (like nurse charging her blink) - is it still coming eventually?
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So amulet makes her slower at base speed, not while phasing correct?
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Her changes are fair. She’s still very much a top tier killer.
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No it makes her phasing slower. She will still move at 4.4 m/s when out of phase.
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Just her phasing speed.
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Thanks
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Are you suggesting they should change her power to be not vaulting animations instead of phasing?.
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lol youre just saying killer’s powers, which makes them different. Vaulting isnt part of a killer’s power, so why would it be different?
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Question : are those changes (on dev update notes) FINAL (by that i mean nothing else about her will be changed besides only those mentioned in the notes) on spirit or you guys will pull out a revolver and shoot rin in the back in ptb?
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It has nothing to do with if it's part of their power.
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Or you could position yourself to where your sage from both..? There is a pretty big tell when a vault is initiated to be fair
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Those are all the changes that'll be in the PTB, but nothing is ever final. This is a live game and if it turns out that these changes aren't enough, there could always be more down the line. We'll just have to wait and see.
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i thought the devs didnt give her a vaulting animation cuz it would look unfitting and not for mindgame purposes cuz i never rly got mindgamed by her non-existing vault animation
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Soo what you are saying there is the posibility you guys will gut her legion style
Il just keep on playing and hope that whats on the notes is final but heed my warning (and listen well) that the changes you guys made right now are fine and nothing else need to be changed otherwise if she gets gutted there will be a unavoidable shitstorm .
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All I would say is to proceed with caution. I personally think you guys (and gals) got this perfect. I think pushing it any farther would be a mistake.
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Phasing in and out while walking isn't part of any other killer too.
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jesus can you spirit mains just shut up for once and wait and see what the dev's have in store instead of comparing a needed nerf to a nerf that ruined a killer ???
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Why can survivors run in a straight line against Nurse and make it impossible for her to catch up to them? There’s no mindgame there.
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It's gonna be like every killer that has 'Average' as their height stat.
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Because they're nerfing killers with uniqueness to make things more consistent for stupid people.
Having to remember that killers are different and adjust accordingly is too hard. I can't wait until all killers are simple m1 killers and we can really have fun.
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Stop complaining, spirit will still be OP even after the nerf comes.
imo they shouldve never buffed her in the first place, there wasnt anything wrong with the phase sound being directional
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You even played her in ptb? Because i doubt you did (and i doubt you ever played her in live)
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I played her enough to know its was easy to 4k with her. the only reason they buffed her is because crybaby killer mains can't play killers weaker than nurse without ragequitting
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Sir why are you lying? She was very awfull in ptb and extremely predictable when she was using her power.
Also can you don't add the "crybaby killer mains" excuse? Sure it is easy to 4k at 20s with any killer, but having a killer that can be extremely easily tracked when using her power? That screamed for buffs.
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I have a feeling the collision thing is gonna be bigger than what everyone is making it seem like. For example, if the survivor has iron will, good luck getting em. Now you would want to go in and out of phase quickly to spot em or swing and hope for the best. Now if the spirit has stridor, then it wouldn't be as big. That's just me.
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Maybe you shouldnt rely on killers powers so much man, idk.
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Or ascend to a level where you can track people thay have iw without stridor.
(Aka predict their routes, movement patterns. Grass,footsteps and breathing are still audible)
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