The release of killer statistics showed glaring problems in group think and balance.

A 2k is usually a de-pip at red ranks, a 3k a safe pip. If you want to draw conclusions from the very limited information, then you would have to come to the conclusion that the average killer de-pips at red ranks.

I don't see how this is favouring killers.

We also don't know anything about the winning (pipping) statistics for survivors at red ranks.

Pips are supposed to show how you performed in a match. Pips decide at which rank you play. With the current system, pips & winning are very much related. It's not my system, it's the devs' system.

Pips are what currently defines whether you "won" or "lost". So if we want to talk about whether killers or survivors are favoured, we can't ignore the pips. Pip statistics are as important as statistics about the difference between solos and SWFs.

I don't know how long you have been playing the game. Your suggestion is basically the old Victory Cube.

Well then, pips are a terrible way to determine whether you won or lost. If the survivors literally just stand around and do nothing all game, and just let the killer down and hook every single one of them, the killer probably won't even pip. In fact, they might depip.

The current emblem system punishes you for trying to accomplish your main objective as quickly and optimally as possible. Compared to virtually any other PvP ranking system, emblems are a joke.

The end doesn't justify the means (hope I use this phase correctly).

One can look at the stats and goes "that's it, the stat say that killer get 3K therefore the game is favouring killer". The problem is that the stat is just that, red rank kill got 3k. It doesn't account for survivor suicide on first hook just to spite the killer, doesn't like the map/killer or anything that might not accurately reflect the real situation. Like someone mentioned earlier, there are many players aim to burn through the time and would suicide on hook just to get into next game faster. The new matchmaking that matches the killer based on highest rank of survivor also do not help at all. All these factoring into the stats, it will certainly lead to an inaccurate portrayal of the whole picture, which is exactly why peanits ask us to not draw any conclusion from the stats.

So with this logic, farming killers win the game I think. Because they get pip but they have 0 kills. So farming killers win the game.

Amblem system is not reliable. Should not be reliable. The gamestyle of killer force people to do another playing style which causes survivors to get -pip. He is facecamping with bubba. So it is impossible to save the hooked survivor, no survival chance at least for 1 of survivors. So other survivors will do gen rush and escape. Probably because of the althurism and boldness category, they may not get pip or even they get -pip. But they escaped. But according to your logic 3 survivors lost the game. Bubba has 1 kill. Did Bubba win actually? Did survivors lose the game?

This is just a system which actually depends on the points. How much points you get may change by the playing style of killer(salty style like camping, tunneling). It does not mean that killer is good. It does not mean anything. So the emblem system also. This system is written by people and depending on the bloodpoints(safe unhooking helps you to get pip and gives you more BP, unsafe unhooking gives you less BP and depips you. If the killer chase you, you start getting points and get pip also more than you sabotage the hooks. The system has some basic logic which can not be applied to the all situations because the logic is limited, and is not comprehensive enough). So it can not tell whether players played well.

A kill ratio of 75% average(!) does not mean the killer is OP. Did you notice how many matches end with either 2k or 4k? 3k is more rare because many killers slug to get 4k. 3k is only possible if the last one gets hatch or the exit gate in time. And guess what the average of 50% and 100% is: right. 75%. This is more often practiced at red ranks, because even one escape can cost you your pip.

But why is the kill ratio that high at all ranks? Because killers are more powerful on lower ranks.

"That stats say, Freddy is broken." No he is not. He's an M1 killer (and with that, loopable unlike Spirit/Nurse) where you have to do some memory work (remembering his fake pallets). "But his pallets..." Just wake up man, and use your brain. "But his infinite repair build..." Yes, you can't genrush then, and I'm glad of it. "He's got wall hack with BBQ with teleport..." Nurse too. And don't forget Billy or Spirit. Oh... almost forgot it: wake up! But that does not make him broken.

Nurse, Plague and Huntress have worse kill rates because console is included and these do not work that well with a controller. And only few Nurse's are good and the good ones are most likely on PC and on red ranks, that's why she kills 48% at all ranks and 70% at red ranks. And I think her ratio would be higher if we would sort out those matches where the red rank killer was just doing the daily with Nurse but was bad with her.

Those stats are just that: stats with a lot of flaws (console/PC not separated etc.). They tell everything and nothing at the same time. Would there be this discussion "Killer x is OP" or "the game is clearly killer sided" because the stats "prove" it, if there were no stats at all? Probably not. So I don't get it, why you make all the fuss about it now.

Having been R1 as survivor and killer for a long time, I find these statistics interesting. Yet, I feel that we have to be careful in interpreting these statistics and especially careful if we want to use them as reference for game balance. All the following thoughts are my ideas and based on my long experience.

1) Red ranks and all the statistics around it suffer from a problematic rating system:

• With the current rating system, reaching high ranks as survivor is far too easy. It is almost impossible to depip and relatively easy to gain one pip. Reaching red ranks is more a thing of playing many games than of actually being good.
• This causes that the skill differences on R5-R1 and between R1 survivors are as big as the grand canyon. There are many R1 survivors who make tons of mistakes both in mechanics and decision making and then there are few who are really good. There are so many R5-1 survivors who constantly make catastropic beginner mistakes.
• At the same time, I feel that reaching R1 as killer is currently quite a bit more challenging than it has ever been before. You can actually depip without playing horrible. You can even kill two people and still depip.
• If the above mentioned points are as I think they are, red ranks would often match survivors who got there because everyone basically gets there against killers who are a bit better/or have at least better perks which results in higher kill rates.

2) SWF Deathsquads and really good players are hidden in the statistics:

• The true thing that makes killers lash out and complain about the balance are organized high skill deathsquads/high skill survivors. These people are usually good or very good players, perfectly perked and sometimes geared.
• These groups will usually have the skill/knowledge to abuse everything. (e.g. the best looper running object of obsession).
• These groups can make games look like taking candy from a baby and frustrate killers.
• Yet, you very rarely meet such groups, because to be brutally honest, about 95% of the high ranked survivor base are not nearly good enough. Statistically these are not relevant but they heavily influence killer's perceptions of balance.

3) The statistics clearly prove that they do not show balance but mostly lack of skill

• The statistics show that things which are harder to use are seemingly bad, when they are in fact far more powerful when in the right hands.
• example: nurse! There is no way in hell the nurse is worse than wraith or leatherface. Those two are dogshit killers. Her statistics are just bad because very few people can use her properly.
• vice versa: Freddy. he is mechanically very easy to play. His power does neither require finesse nor special skill/planning . Therefore he performs well

My conclusions:

• Just because something unerperforms statistically, it does not mean it is bad. (nurse!)
• We need a better rating system. Preferably one that makes ranking up as survivor considerably harder. This would seriously improve the quality of matches.
• The game will never ever be nor should ever be balanced for ultra high skill and for deaths squads. If you balance the game for ultra high skill survivors you would make it unfun for 95% of the community.

I usually tend to be a bit more killer sided. But to all people who often accuse killers of always wanting 4ks. No way man. The fun in the game is the tension, the thrill of the hunt. The frustation fo someone almost in your grasp escaping etc. Always 4k would bore me to death.

But on the other way around we have to see that it is an aysmetrical 1v4 horror, so no survivor should ever be able (no matter how good he is) to stall 75% of the game in one chase. Survivors should feel at a disadvantage when being chased. Is that not the point and fun of playing a horror survival game?

There is a difference and they said not to do either one.

I agree with your point about there not being a reason to release statistics if they are that flawed in the first place. All that does is mislead people.

You do realise that it takes Freddy 8 seconds to teleport to a gen? That's plenty of time for you to run, not to mention you see blood spewing off the generators. Also the cooldown for the teleporting is very long unless all survivors are asleep and if he's running those addons. Freddy is almost an m1 killer when you are awake. I get that it may take an extra 20 seconds to wake up but saying he's the most unbalanced killer is not true.

Only thing that needs changing about Freddy is his slowdown addons.

Yes, just like escaping is not a win for survivor; I can die and still pip which is a win. You just have to do enough for the team, and sometimes I might be one of the ones escaping.

Please play killer and try to get to red ranks so you can found out for yourself why this game is survivor sided im currently rank 1 survivor rank 4 killer just by your thoughts and ideas of balanced you either dont play killer at all or only play in the brown ranks where people dont do gens everyone is being civil but tbh you need to play killer ######### the stats go out there and find out for yourself