Clown's gas

He's considered as pretty weak already.
The hindered effect (if it's the same than the one in game), is around 4%, which is far from "annoying" tbh, especially since it slows him down as he throws it, too.

From a survivor point of view, I don't find it all that hard to dodge the gas. Nor do I find it annoying. He feels like a somewhat balanced killer, if a little underwhelming. Much better than the low tiers of the game (poor Freddy), and inciting a different chase style. I like it.

@emzy said:
Runiver said:

He's considered as pretty weak already.

The hindered effect (if it's the same than the one in game), is around 4%, which is far from "annoying" tbh, especially since it slows him down as he throws it, too.

To be fair I've not tried playing him yet so can't comment on if he's weak or not.

I suppose survivors should run perks like SB to combat the slow?

Then test him. He´s really weak. His throws can be easily dodged and the gas isn´t even that good.

His gas is an good idea. They just need to make teh AoE larger by 20% and make the intoxication from 1.5 to 2 seconds.

Also, his very rare exposed add on needs 0 nerfs included. It shouldn't "slightly reduce" the intox time.

Ultra Rares are .. well hard to get, so when you get one it should be very strong. No downside.

@Janick said:
its 0.5sec, 1sec and +1.5sec. which mean that you can increase it over 4sec.

I meant the one that increase the hindered effect like :
Flask Of Bleach
A potent chemical which causes irritation, burns and lung damage.

Intoxicated target suffers moderately from an extra Hindered' Penalty.
Intoxicated Effect duration is slightly reduced.

How much is the value of that extra hindered penalty ?

Thanks for the duration values tho.

They need to slightly increase the effects of the gas... no doubt about it.

It is simple to me in my mind. What they have now is very mid tier. Which is fine, but they need to do these things.

-Increase reload bottle time by 3 seconds.
-Or give us 1 extra bottle (5) and keep the reload time the same.

-Either increase the AoE by 20%
-OR simply make the blurred effect a touch more extreme and blurry.

Or they could keep exactly what they have and increase the slow down by a slight touch. Something must give and the trade off can be the reload time for the bottles.

@Janick said:
The Flask of Bleach adds another -5%. (total of -20%)
We have removed the penalty effect of that addon.

You have to understand that at -15% it's like the killer gaining Bloodlust level 3, which is very high already.

At the moment he's 3rd in the overall ranking, right behind the Billy and the Pig.

Guessing nurse is #1 correct?

Any thoughts on adding a secondary "ability" to the clown? Similar to the pig? I think it would make sense for him to be able to break a pallet instantly because of his size when a survivor goes for the pallet stun. Give it a decent cooldown of say 60 seconds. Right now he is pretty lackluster.

@Dwight_Confusion said:
His gas is an good idea. They just need to make teh AoE larger by 20% and make the intoxication from 1.5 to 2 seconds.

Also, his very rare exposed add on needs 0 nerfs included. It shouldn't "slightly reduce" the intox time.

Ultra Rares are .. well hard to get, so when you get one it should be very strong. No downside.

This. Like the destroyed the Huntress instadown. RIP

@Zavri said:

@weirdkid5 said:

@Dwight_Confusion said:
His gas is an good idea. They just need to make teh AoE larger by 20% and make the intoxication from 1.5 to 2 seconds.

Also, his very rare exposed add on needs 0 nerfs included. It shouldn't "slightly reduce" the intox time.

Ultra Rares are .. well hard to get, so when you get one it should be very strong. No downside.

This. Like the destroyed the Huntress instadown. RIP

Huntress's insta down was overtuned in comparison to other killer ultra rares. Having 5 hatchets that 1 shot is pretty insane.

I wouldn't mind power like that in the game if every other killer had something similar, but they don't.

3 hatchets would have been a decent tradeoff. The reason the instahatchets were really nerfed is cause you could run 7 if you combined it with the increase addon.

Yeah everyone ran the extra hatchets with it, it's pointless not too, which is what i was referring to with "5 hatchets".

@emzy said:
Anyone else find the slow on the clown's gas annoying? It's near impossible to not get hit. I feel like it should be replaced with the ability for the killer to see the survivors aura's for a period of time. This would make juking more challenging. Perhaps the slow could be an add-on? Thoughts?

The whole point of the power is to slow people down and be annoying. Removing it would make the killer useless.

@Janick said:

@Zavri said:

@Janick said:
The Flask of Bleach adds another -5%. (total of -20%)
We have removed the penalty effect of that addon.

You have to understand that at -15% it's like the killer gaining Bloodlust level 3, which is very high already.

At the moment he's 3rd in the overall ranking, right behind the Billy and the Pig.

Guessing nurse is #1 correct?

Any thoughts on adding a secondary "ability" to the clown? Similar to the pig? I think it would make sense for him to be able to break a pallet instantly because of his size when a survivor goes for the pallet stun. Give it a decent cooldown of say 60 seconds. Right now he is pretty lackluster.

No, Nurse is last in the Killcount. I'm only referring to the overall ranking not the Rank 1 vs Rank 20.

gotcha, thanks for the info!

How about reducing the clown TR, but giving him squeaky shoes. Make his TR like 15m but give him squeaky shoes that let survivors know where he is in that range.  
  
I mean, its not like he is naturally stealthy being an absolute unit.  
  
Make the squeaks more magical in nature maybe, making his tr to 24m but having him squeak his location every few seconds, letting you mindgame.

@Janick said:

@TeambossFloze said:
I think the gas is great, id make the clouds bigger as standard, make for good area of denial play instead more so of trying to hit survivors (which I guess is the way he should be played, corralling survivors into a corner pretty much by cutting off routes etc) - so, id make the gas cloud as standard bigger by at least 25% - the slow effect is perfect right now, in fact may even be a tad tooooo strong..but that's open to debate. As a standard Test build Killer I think the Clown is in a good place and could be really awesome on release.

There is minimal physic involved with the gas and it's quite large actually but you can affect the spread by trying to make it explode higher in the air. Aiming at the ground directly will get you the minimum radius spreading effect.

Not too high in the air tho or the spread will actually be VERY wildely spread to the point it could prove inneffective. But this addition is nice.

You can also throw on the edge of vaults, on top of them, so the gas spreads on both sides of the vault, but it requires some very tricky aiming, and usually to get at close range of that specific vault, which is quite the requirement.

@Janick said:
Indeed, if it spread too much, Survivor can zigzag around it yes.

BTW, the gas goes through the Gen, to help the spread around Gens so it affects all side of it.

The main issue is, it doesn't help much if you throw it on gens. But I suppose it's useful info to know if you throw in the general area of a gen.
I played him extensively on the PTB, and I love him after getting used to him. He's definitely great and fun in chase, but definitely lacks map control somehow.

What he lacks the most is the possibility to distrup people while chasing someone else, by, for example, throwing a bottle at a gen. Right now, it has very little effect.
I'm well aware that making an extra effect that would be too strong could prove problematic, and would make camping while throwing at closeby gen a good strategy for him (and make him boring in the process), but I feel like he definitely needs something like that in his kit.