killer can't change killer but survivors can?!?!?!?!?!?!

While the rare last-second survivor swap is annoying, the worst part about this is we have NOTHING to do while we queue for 10+ minutes for a match. Say I want to do some bloodwebs on a different killer. I have to do them, THEN queue as the killer I want to play. That's a horrible design choice.

I sincerely hope the new MMR system leads to shorter queue times, or I'll just play something else. DBD isn't a game I can just pick up and play a quick match or two with any more. I spend more time waiting for matches than playing them - especially when survivors disconnect or suicide so often.

I want to enjoy the game, but holy ######### the devs want to make it harder with every patch.

It is not in use yet. But they already implemented it.

I don't think that's how the new matchmaking system works. I literally just got Oni and I'm rank 16 killer (cause I haven't played in awhile, p3 Pig main though lol), and got thrown into a lobby of fully decked all red rank swf group that had medkits with insta-heals, and toolboxes that had the iridescent cog add-ons, within 10seconds of queing

I don't really mind the change where we can't switch our killer though. It just means you have to commit to a killer when you search for a match. I play the game pretty care-free so I don't mind people bringing keys or anything, since I don't care about any unwritten rules people make I will occasionally bring a Mori when I feel like it. It's just a game and I wish more people would play it casually, I actually like being nice with the survivors and just farming points with the last one or two I leave alive.

Edit: I now saw your comment to someone else stating it hasn't been implemented yet. However if they are doing that they should make it the same for survivors since add-ons and perks still aren't shared between survivor characters, which essentially is their gear.

Cause if they only applied it to killer then a survivor could just use a low rank to get into the match and then switch to the survivor they have decked out and that would defeat the purpose of the change. And wouldn't be fair to a killer since the killer can't switch to deal with the higher leveled/geared group. Just cause they can't see the killer at the start doesn't mean they should be able to abuse a new matchmaking system to give them easy killers and bloodpoints for some higher level character.

However implementing that to both parties would be a good way for people to get their lower ranking survivors and killers up without having to worry about one person just being de-ranked and have a completely decked load-out

Your skill as survivor doesn't depend on perks. Or at least it shouldn't.

Let's see this example:

I have 2.9k hrs combined on killer and survivor. And approx 65% of this is on survivor. I rarely play Quentin (Daily only), so I don't have all the perks I want. I play with what I got. My usual setup is this: Iron Will, Spine Chill, DS and Kindred, whereas Spine Chill is my must have. Let's say I only have Kindred (1), Off the Record (3), We'll Make It (1) and maybe Unbreakable (1). I will have a harder time since I'm not used to this setup mostly (i.e. that I am loud while injured), but this doesn't hinder my ability to loop a jungle gym. This depends on my skill as player, not on perks itself. Sure having DH or not can make a huge difference, but if you are good you can compensate this.

Now think the poor rank 16 killer who would go against me because I chose Quentin. He would not have a great time against me.

I hope you get what I'm saying.

On the other hand: Each killer has an unique power. With some you will be great (Freddy for me), but with others you might struggle or havn't enough practise with (i.e. Billy, Nurse, Hag, Oni), so you get matched to appropiate opponents.

I don't know what happens to matchmaking atm, but I also had some low rank killers in my lobby (rank 1 survivor vs rank 10 or even rank 16). i can truely understand your frustration. matchmaking has been broken for a long time now.

Why would survivor not be able to chang all it does is change looks sounds and maybe perks?

Survivors last second swap actually has absolutely nothing to do with character swapping.

Even if you did lock the Survivors from swapping characters, they'd just do the last second swap with just the item, with the perks being already set up.

What about switching between similar MMR killers? For example, my plague is 110MMR but then I decide I actually want to play Freddy who is at 115MMR.

i feel survivor should be lock in the 10 sec spot can't switch when there 10 sec left,

I understand what you're saying, but even so, just as looping, and chase knowledge passes onto each survivor you play, it does for pretty much all the killers too. Just instead of having a toolbox, flashlight, map, etc to help them with their objective, each killer gets a different skills that you do have to learn.

And if the point of the new MMR is to let people play their killers and get them leveled up by going against a survivor of that killers skill, then not locking the survivors defeats that purpose. Cause unless they lock them or make survivors skill percentage the same as their highest skilled survivor, they could just use a survivor they never play to get a person with a killer they've never played, and then switch to a person with amazing perks. Yes you don't need perks to stay alive, however the difference with and without them is a lot. So someone trying to find low skill matches as a killer they haven't played should be given the chance to actually take use of what the mmr system is supposed to do. Which is give the killer a lower skill match so they can learn, a survivor character with low skill wouldn't always have those helpful perks and items right off the bat, so they would have to make do. Same handicap the killer would have trying to learn their new ability. And if they manage to just click with that killer and slaughter with them, then their MMR with them would go up really fast and they would get thrown into those matches where they have to deal with all the items and perks, and they at least understand their character enough to deal with those things. And it would also mean you'd just have to stock up on bloodpoints to level the low skill character and then play as them. Cause you only really need to play one character at all to get everything for everyone.

It also doesn't let people spend their bloodpoints while they wait for a match, which is how a lot of people tend to spend their time.

Like I said though, I don't mind it too much but I see where it causes issues. If both were locked then it would give killers a chance to get poor geared survivors, and survivors the chance to get poor geared killers, and they both will help each other progress and level those low characters. Which sounds pretty nice since I could get a lot of the killers up and learn them, and not just play my piggy all the time to earn everyones bloodpoints cause it's just a pain sometimes to deal with all those decked kits when you are learning or just new to the game.

Don't see anything wrong with 'abusing' the system as a red rank killer, cause it won't make any difference whatsoever and I know it.

Why? Got a match with 3-4 sweaty SWFs against my leatherface when he has been my worst killer for the past 2 years, and it's only the second time I used him since the rework.

I think now it is a problem, since you can't react when you see swf in the lobby. But once the MMR goes live it won't, since you would be matched against low ranked Survivors with your leather face.

Whenever I play a killer now I rare play I just ecpect that I will get nothing else than Entity Displeased. It is less disappointing then if I loose.

Most of you are talking about vastly different issues than the change that is actually being purposed. Cosmetics and survivor say nothing about player skill, you could be full prestige 3 and have never played the character, or be default skin of a survivor, and be the most skilled player in the game. The item is the only thing that really can change gameplay and that is as easy to switch as it is to switch a character. Most of the complaints, such as SWF balance, should be fixed in other ways, actual game balance. Being able to switch survivors, while annoying, and potentially a pain, does not affect game balance in a significant way. If a SWF group didn't want you to know, they could just play with default cosmetics. That would not fix most of the actual problems that are being said here.

In addition, while killer skill undoubtedly carries over from killer to killer, I understand and appreciate the ideas behind the upcoming matchmaking system, specifically because at the moment it does not sound like it resets constantly. So while playing a new killer you will undoubtedly go up against people that you shouldn't, that will not happen as often (in theory) as with the current resets. I don't play that often, but because of the resets whenever I do, I always go against people who I have no right to be playing with, they have no chance.

The one thing I do agree with is with killer queues being so long, it really would be nice to be able to spend bloodpoints on other killers while you're in a queue. I'm not a programmer, I have no idea how hard that is, but it would be a nice QoL feature. Not game breaking for me, but very nice.

I believe the new matchmaking system has not been implemented yet, though I could be wrong. It will, of course, not be perfect on its test run. However I do think that the ideas behind it are sound, and I hope the execution lives up to it.