The way console players are treated is insane
One of the only posts that was able to stay regarding consoles were closed due to "having too much drama". Do you know how that makes me feel as a console player? It makes me feel like our issues are not cared about. I'm tired of going onto the forums and seeing this pc entitlement with everybody berating console players that clearly causes lots of drama but when we are finally heard and want change to console that was suppose to come YEARS ago, we get shut up and the post is closed. Unbelievable. This pc entitlement is annoying, the lack of actual change is annoying, and everyone's patience is running thin
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Definitely wouldn't mind seeing issues be addressed.
And this may just be a coincidence, but for days in a row now, i saw discussions here and there on how toxic PC players are.
With crossplay enabled, it doesn't surprise me to see platforms complain about platforms.
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All they had to do was get a dev and make him say "yes, we are aware of these frame rate issues AND we are working on them". Is it really that hard?
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Censorship is strong on the forums all of the sudden. Hopefully BHVR doesnt pull a Blizzard and gets back on track.
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The biggest thing is that I just want equality between platforms, i don't want to be at a disadvantage over factors that I have no control over.
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I haven’t really had a lot of issues. I’m on PS4 and I guess I’m just ignorant because I haven’t noticed many issues with cross play. PH drops my FPS when I play him and sloppy seems to skip some FPS when I’m hit as a survivor but it doesn’t seem to mess with the game as a whole. I may just be bad enough that I just don’t notice.
im guessing that a lot of posts on here about consoles were closed out or removed?
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I have my crossplay disabled so I don't really know about pc players gameplay wise so the only thing I see is from the forums. And all I ever see when it comes to pc players talking about consoles is how trash they are. Hell there are even streamers who say console players are trash
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Yep. Mods were looking for any excuse to close that thread. They didnt want to keep looking at an issue they had no plans of sorting out. Im of the opinion that theyre not touching optimization until next gen comes out.
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I know... I feel like BHVR had left us consoles behind for awhile now
But with Crossplay All of the issues are exposed to all
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They wont do anything but close it anyways. Yknow what post was pointless? Your comment...
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Hey bud, maybe just let him voice his opinion instead of telling him its worthless, that's really rude.
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I know it's off topic,but how do you have a -1 ?
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It's definitely a bummer seeing how they've handled the issues the console community has. I used to talk about how DBD devs cared about their community but obviously I was wrong.
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I totally understand your frustration, I really do and the thread was closed not because of the genuine comments that were on it. The thread was closed because of the Developer bashing that was happening on it, posts which we deleted as well as the irrelevant bumps which added nothing to the thread and were basically spam at that point. Then even after a warning was put on that thread it continued and people got warned for their comments and the thread was closed. Nobody is trying to censor Console Players. Check out my posts on this very forum where I've closed threads down which were set up to pit Console against PC - it's not something I approve of and it's not something BHVR approves of. We promote inclusivity totally.
The fact of the matter is, I can't answer the questions about optimisation all I can do is to say again it is something that we've brought to the teams attention - but I do not have any further word on it than that.
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It just feels bad that there's no word on anything going on in the game until patch notes get released, unless its a major game breaking bug. Nothing being said or being unable to discuss upcoming features makes lots wonder what's happening and if certain concerns are actually being addressed. There needs to be a better communication between the Developers and fans because they way it is now seems like there's no care for what is being said.
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You closed for one bump. And might I add, I sure didnt see any dev bashing. Why would we insult the people who made the game we love? We're passionate about optimization because we love BHVRs product.
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But hey guys.... GREAT news! For the low low price of around $600 you can get a ps5 and play dbd for free if you already own it and can 100% for sure count on updates. Thank god!! We can all rest easy now.
/s
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I deleted more than 19 comments in the space of 20 minutes, and put a warning that any more would cause the thread to be closed. And within 10 minutes I ended up having to hand out a warning and delete bumps! I don't close threads lightly on this forum, but when people are unable to follow the rules of the forum and wilfully ignore what has been said, they leave myself and the other moderators with no choice.
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Even then, 99% of the comments were not bashing you or bumping in the slightest. I have to commend you for doing your job.
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Just for the record, this is absolutely untrue.
There were bumps here and there, yes, but they weren't there to increase the post count, but to have the thread visible, and anyway for every bump there were plenty of in topic posts.
As for the dev bashing, I honestly don't know what you are talking about, but I will copy here the harshest thing I said in that thread (why "me"? because I was the thread starter and I tried to set the right tone in the thread for everybody):
when I first opened this thread I understood why they weren't answering: the tech team needed to take a look at how things degraded, understand what was wrong and then take action.
Now things are different, and I would say alarming:
enough time has passed for the tech team to at the very least realise that yes, something is wrong, and yes, they can (and need to) work on fixing it.
However, there hasn't yet been any update on the matter by the community management team. When Community Managers don't give updates on things like this is because there are no updates, simple as that. And if there are no updates it means that, as of right now, the tech team is not working on fixing things.
They are allegedly working on optimising the graphical update, which is a good thing of course, but it's far from enough - even admitting that the two new maps will have better performance than the older ones (and that's a veeeeery long stretch, but who knows), it doesn't change the fact that we will still be screwed on every other situation.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!!!!
Don't forget that the maps where we struggle the most are maps like Larry's, Hawkins or the Silent Hill one, especially with killers like Oni, Pyramid Head, Deathslinger, Demogorgon, the Doctor...
What's the common denominator here? They are all NEW CONTENT, and there's no way that these maps/killers will get a rework/optimisation pass before all the older killers/maps get a graphical update / killer power rework.
In other words, I'm extremely pessimistic right now.
Now, this was the kind of bashing that was happening in the thread. The vast majority of the people in the thread tried their hardest to be constructive and to actively discourage any form of retaliation: no name dropping, no metacritic bombing, no stupid lawsuits...
maybe somebody did talk about these things, but the thread, as a whole, would always self moderate.
The harshest comments came after YOU threatened us - and you will see that even after that we still were positive and discouraged everyone to endure a (I quote) game of attrition.
This being said, of course if the only answer the console community gets after 2 weeks of silence (the PatBrutal response, which wasn't a real acknowledgement anyway, let's be clear about this), it is expected that someone gets pissed off: fine, ban them, warn them, do whatever you want, but if you close a thread that was, let's be honest, the only mature thread in this board, you are doing this because you don't want the topic to be heard.
It's not because of a "bump" or a "devs suck".
I don't blame you @MandyTalk , because I really think you are just a piece in a chess board, moved by someone else. I refuse to believe that you, by your self accordance, go ahead and issue a censorship act on Console Issues. That would really be pathetic.
Anyway, do whatever you want, the board is yours, but at least be sincere, don't be a liar. Thank you.
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19 comments out of 1000 is 1.9%. So you closed a thread that had 30+ pages over 1000 comments because of 1.9% ? Think about that for a second. Personally, I find it ironic that you closed a very well behaved thread then cobbled together all the rest that are now ACTUALLY bashing the company. Not only that, now we are pointing out bhvr practices in much more public places.
was it worth it?
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also let's talk about the "bump replies".
I posted a video about Nurse on Console, where I explicitly talk about frame rate. It got deleted because it was "a bump" (with no warning btw, not personally, not publicly)
Of course if you delete any legit reply then you delete "19 replies in 20 minutes".
when all you have is a hammer (delete button), all problems (replies) are a nail (spam).
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I’d love to know the average and median age range of dbd players, and for people who post on the forums. The whole PC vs. Console thing is absurd. Base PS4/Xbox gets about 50 FPS with regular FPS drops. One X and PS4 can hit 60, but suffer from FPS drops as well. Switch players play at 20-25 fps (seriously, not exaggerating) and with significantly worse graphics and controls. I know, because I own DBD on all of the above, plus on my PC.
Switch DBD is still relatively new. People who own a Switch are generally more casual. And I’d venture to guess the age of DBD players is younger. So yes, you’ll see a Rank 3 Switch player urban evading. It’s not difficult to rank up on the Switch, not everybody watches Twitch or Youtube for gameplay. How did you play if you never saw others play the game?
Forget kb/m vs. controller. Some people play this game casually, and don’t think your build or play style equates to your “pp size” (small pp build, micro pp build, etc).
Lastly, yes, even streamers push this PC is superior to console #########. This isn’t the 90s anymore. I was even watching Puppers last night, who started going on about how there’s more ######### console players than on PC. PUPPERS! Just crazy to me, especially considering he used to stream on PS4 on Fridays. Isn’t he a fog whisperer too?
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Well, I'm 47 and will be 48 on Christmas.
However, the Friends & Family who have all played DbD at one point were 10, 17, 22, 22, and 23.
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What is this rage. Just stop playing and buying guys. I gave a two months break to wait things gets patched up and here I am going back to another i-don't-know-how-much-time-long break until they fix their game. If you want to see action stop buying and stop playing, maybe they will listen after that, otherwise have patience. There are plenty of great games, go love something that meets your expectations!
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I don't close threads lightly on this forum, but when people are unable to follow the rules of the forum and wilfully ignore what has been said, they leave myself and the other moderators with no choice.
Why not warn / ban the people breaking the forum rules instead?
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We will not forget....
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I agree, back in 2018 they said there was an console optimization update coming.
But after that it stayed quiet on that subject and they ignoring the subject.
Last time when they streamed I went over and asked it a couple of times if we could still expect the update.
Maybe not the time and place to ask them, but where do you go when they ignore all other sources?
A couple other viewers also started asking that question and the were shut up by removing their messages.
None of the dbd members who were in that stream even said anything about the subject.
Sure when you play ps4 vs ps4 it's not that big of a deal but as soon as crossplay got implemented it becomes a big issue.
It's never fun to play with at least half the fps than that from pc.
They announced crossplay and after a few weeks it was allready implemented and here we are waiting 2 years for the console optimization update, get your freaking priorities in order.
First bring the optimisation so the console players are closer in terms of gameplay to the pc players.
Sure they might have other advantages/disadvantages, but like fps at base they have at least half more frames and that is very noticeable (for me at least as I can't speak for everyone)
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Sorry, but my point is true. There are pages of bumps on that thread - most of them irrelevant posts about getting the thread to 1k etc
What people don't realise that quality over quantity is a big thing, and it's not about visibility as we had already explained in the thread that we'd brought the matter to the teams attention.
In a working environment do you want to read pages of bumps which amounts to spam, as well as the posts that offered nothing constructive to a thread but were just there to insult/bash the developers - or would you rather read a thread that contained the relevant information that you needed to do your job?
I won't discuss this further. I don't have the information that you seek with regards to an answer - I'm sorry, if I did have an answer that I could convey I would.
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Look, everyone is upset here with how things have been handled. But the last thing I want is for this to turn into a dev/mod hate thread that will just get closed down.
It's a shame that the other post got closed after all the replies and views that was there. And I dont entirely blame the community managers and mods for all of this. It's not like they have the power to change things themselves. They are just messengers.
That said, ik everyone wont listen or wont care but I think the best thing to do now is follow the old threads footsteps and just talk about the console optimization without any potential bashing.
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What a mess.
A simple "hey guys, the team is having trouble fixing the issue, bear with us, we're working on it" would have sufficed.
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A lot of us were active on that thread and all the posts insulting the devs must have been removed instantly because I didn't see any of the stuff there that you see in other threads (calling them useless and stupid and saying they should all be fired etc) I was surprised by how well people were restraining themselves.
If there were that many personal attacks that you deleted before anyone else saw them then I envy your reflexes.
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I'm on Switch and I solely crossplay. I have no problems. I wonder why people have different experiences?
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I don't think they meant 19 in total just 19 in a span of 20 mins after the warnings were issued (correct me if I'm wrong). If a mod pops in and says this is getting out of hand tone it down and the response is crank it up and get more irate then it will probably get closed down. Its not really a big surprise.
That said performance across all platforms should be a priority now given crossplay.
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Which side do you play? For me on ps4 survivor is a lot more manageable than killer (but still not great)
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@MandyTalk I'm not gonna argue with you about if and how the thread was or was not overall a good environment (especially compared to all the other threads in this board), I will reply though to this, which is important:
In a working environment do you want to read pages of bumps which amounts to spam, as well as the posts that offered nothing constructive to a thread but were just there to insult/bash the developers - or would you rather read a thread that contained the relevant information that you needed to do your job?
I assume you are not talking about yourself when you speak about "working environment", but about the Tech Team, trying to get information from the topic.
Now, obviously I don't expect the tech team to actively read a thread of 30+ pages (actually, not even a thread of 2+ pages) - they should already have got all the information they needed in the first few replies, and if they needed more they just needed to ask.
The thread function at that point was to be a container for all the updates on console optimisation, if they ever had to come, and a watchdog for these changes to happen.
There were two very, very effective way to make the thread be extremely pacific:
1- have a community manager say "IT'S TRUE, fps degraded and WE ARE WORKING ON IT. It is a PRIORITY. Expect an update in -insert timeframe-" (the only thing we got was "letting you know we forwarded this thread to the tech team". That's totally different)
2- ...just fix the console frame rate already :)
Again, I have absolutely nothing against you, I know you have little to no power on the matter, I just wanted to clarify this.
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I main Survivour but haven't noticed a difference when I play Killer.
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Hilarious also, how many PC players are heavily encouraging console players to participate in the crossplay...
maybs so they can dominate
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Survivor FPS is okay, I usually get 40 FPS. As Killer, I think I average around 25, 15 when it's a large map.
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How was one thread being bumped worth all of the fallout that's happened with deletes and bans and people quitting the game?
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I'll second that, if the tech team wanted to read only the most relevant information on that thread plenty of us would've been more than happy to compile those parts together.
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Same, if it would speed up console issues getting fixed I'd have no problem going through the post and pulling out the useful info.
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It amazes me that they don't have a console to test it out before releasing an update... Or they just don't care.. Whatever.. I'm very frustrated with Mandy's answers and feel like I'll have to abandon a game I once enjoyed playing... It's sad
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Exactly I for one made some memes using behaviour and the devs but even in the text below I said that dont have any problems with the devs and dbd is a game I love on multiple occasions. I certaintly wasnt bashing.
As a matter of fact that was one of the calmest and polite protests ive seen on this forum...have you seen the ruin outrage and other outrages? We did it the right way and got punished? I think thats why most people are upset right now.
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I play on PS4 and all this makes me very glad I picked up the game about 2 months ago- no where to go now but up, lol.
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I'm considering jumping ship as well, at least until I get a ps5 (whenever that is 😅)
I'll need another game to fill the void in my heart but I tried smite for the first time the other day and it seems kinda appealing It's also where a few of my old swf pals went when they finally gave up on dbd
Usually I'd be too tempted by the arrival of the next chapter but blight looks terrible anyway. I'll have to give it some thought
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Don't make this a console vs. PC thing, OP. Performance is bad on all platforms, but PC players with strong rigs can just brute force it regardless. If you had a PC with the recommended hardware to run this game you'd very likely have to reduce resolution to maintain 60 FPS on low. My hardware is well above the recommended and the game still freezes for a second every time a status effect is applied. I run on low now to try to help with those freezes, and to make the menus not so painfully sluggish.
I know console doesn't have any freedom to just brute force 60 FPS and the situation is therefore much worse on console, but the game runs badly everywhere. I have PC friends with weaker PCs than mine who are dealing with the same sort of frame drops that console players are.
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Then turn crossplay off, because there is no equality within PC.
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Look through that entire thread nothing was addressed at all you personally said "I passed it along" and a dev happened to post "were aware of the issues" explain how exactly any of that is helpful? Nothing was addressed. Console players just want a actual game they can play without it being cancerous half the time. They deserve that right?
These people are shouting out to the developers that they want it fixed and it needs to happen now. Its not an issue of "bashing x developers anymore" it a issue of it needs to be fixed after years of doing nothing for console optimization. These thread are gonna keep popping up until they realize BHVR is either ignoring them or actively does something.
I kept seeing the last one in my newsfeed over and over again. Eventually someone will write an article about "BHVR ignoring Console players" and it will blow up.
Either way both PC and Consoles need massively optimization. Maybe its time to actually address the issues the game has instead of pushing out new content over and over. You can personally create a thread asking people what issues they get on console only as well for helpful insight.
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I seriously understand the frustration you guys have but as they said, they brought it to the teams attention. You are venting at the wrong person.
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the venting right now escalated because our thread got closed and there was a last post that stated that (and I quote literally):
the topic is now being locked and further threads created will be deleted.
Apparently this is currently not true (since we are here talking), but this is the reason why we all got so upset. Before that we all were in our little cage, rightfully and respectfully complaining about the console situation, posting everyday new proofs of what is our daily struggle - whoever was being too rude and/or promoted toxic behaviour like review bombing was promptly reprimanded by the posters themselves (and anyway mods have the tools to stop the people going over the limit, there was no need to close the thread altogether).
That should summarise it.
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