What's wrong with Hag?

I guess I play hag a bit different.. Rusty Shacks/Mint Rag and I only use 1/2 traps playing for the long game. You get a guaranteed 3 gen no matter the distance of the gens.

Make Your Choice/Dragons Grip/Surveillance/Pop

Personally, the only thing I don't like about Hag is that activating a trap forces your camera to look in its direction which often leads to me running back into the Hag and getting hit.

Ever since the tomb she has been more noticeable in various ranks. She shouldn't even be nerfed and her mint rag is a training wheels in my opinion. You can destroy traps though flashlight or crouching through them. Only time it annoying Is the camping hags. Then again that every killers.

Wait... People want hag nerfed? I thought the only real hag "nerf" was to deactivate traps around a hook while and a few seconds after an unhook. (That was in Otz's community patch)

Ohtofu actually explains it pretty well. At least to me

https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableIntelligentJackalArgieB8

People don't like Hag because they can't do the same braindead looping they always do and change is hard so: "OMG HAG OP!"

Lisa is perfect swamp woman. Only love for hags here. 💜

Funny thing is I forgot about something I also hate which is the fact your camera always turns towards her when you set off a trap. Makes camping even stronger. I don't hate this but I know a lot also hate bodyblocking Hag.

Scroll wheel Hag's just don't have any counter play imo. At least normal Hags you have a slight chance to spin her. Personally I wouldn't really compare it to the Nurse fatigue. I'd compare it more to facing a Deathslinger main or an average Deathslinger.

When it comes to perks they do have more variety I give them credit for that. I'd still say though the good ones normally still run Ruin, Undying, Monitor, STBFL or a handful of other meta perks. Good Hag's though just are crouch walking simulator since they place traps everywhere. I hate crouch walking (and urban evasion) so needed to crouch anytime I'm near a totem, gen, loop etc just is extremely boring. Then if she's comes near you when a trap is there you can't avoid setting it off and getting immediately hit.

On the topic of counters it makes no sense how she can be completely destroyed by a team of flashlight users or be really strong when their isn't any. Always felt like it's bad game design when your killer is that badly balanced. I feel like being able to manually disarm them would be nice or maybe they get destroyed after a certain amount of time.

This is a good discussion mate. Hope you see why I just really despise facing her. I never have fun vs her because even if she is useless and gets destroyed she'll get 1 hook and camp it with 10 traps.

Hag is fine except for the camping component. All they need to do is just remove the ability for her to trap hooks and she's 100% balanced. A good hag can down survivors in seconds without much effort.

I personally just don't like hag because of her ability to camp so efficiently. Defending hooks is the best strategy for hag if you want to play her to her maximum potential.

The devs need to nerf her ability to camp, but to compensate, they need to buff something in her base kit as well. Hag should be unable to place traps within a 12-meter radius of the hooked survivor, and also any traps that were previously in that radius are washed away.

A good buff would possibly be to make her teleport slightly faster and/or can teleport from a slightly longer distance than in her current state. What survivor mains need to understand is that, when you nerf a killer, you need to address the main issue everyone has while still keeping her just as strong as she is, just in a different way.

Survivor mains that ask for killers like spirit, hag, freddy, etc. to be nerfed to the ground need to understand that they're not the only people playing the game, the killer players still need to have viable options otherwise it's an easy win for the survivors every single match, and no one wants that. Removing the issues while still keeping the killers just as viable will make the game healthy for both sides.

I'm a spirit main and I get the frustrations people have with her, but when they ask for nerfs, they don't want any buff in return. Having that kind of mentality proves that you don't have any sympathy for the other side. I am truly hoping that spirit gets a rework so her power is more interactive and fair, but still keeping her as strong as she is in her current state.

She was the killer I mained for a long time. I played her back when she was like F tier where her teleport would stun lock her. She has always been under rated even then (though needed the changes for sure) and will always likely be so. I always played her web of traps more aggressive and surprising to end chases faster and get surprise hits or downs in spots people wouldn't think to worry. The thing about her though is I hate how most people play her. If I go off on someone is post game chat it's when I play against a Hag. 9/10 times they are the type to lay traps at the hook to either tunnel or/and use MYC for another down. There isn't much one can do.

Cause these are the options.

Option A - Run - Her traps go off. She teleports in and can down the unhooked person as they aren't protected by BT or can down the unhooker with MYC. As the other Survivor flees, she likely has other traps set up to take down that one as well. If not, she still got a trade in hooks.

Option B - Heal - A Felix attempted to do this to me in my recent vs Hag match. He had good intentions but guess who came shambling over before the heal could finish? Her. Guess who had to run and set off traps? Me. Guess who died not actually getting to play the match after getting caught once? Me.

Option C - Crouch Walk Away - Unless you got Urban Evasion, Hag will be sprinting back over and you're in the same boat as the above except MAYBE you got away from the trap at the hook in time before she is on you. Bad news is she is now chasing you and likely has the nearby pallets or windows trapped and gained distance on you while you crouched away from the trap. You're still boned and if the other Survivor takes the heat instead, MYC ends it still as a losing situation to the Survivor's.

Also Mint Rag is busted strong. Most people don't put the points and effort into her to realize Mint Rag basically makes her the Queen of area denial whether it's some gens or a hook. I still hate IH and old Prayer Beads like 1000x more, but that's cause they are a lot more common than Hag and Mint Rag. I rarely ran it cause it made things to easy, well except the original version where it was keybinded to space bar and going over a window, smashing a pallet, or picking up a survivor could take you across the map instead which was awkwardly hilarious at times.

Honestly the best option is to make it so she can't place traps near hooked Survivors and traps preexisting at a hook are despawned. I love the shambling monster lady, but I can't even remotely condone 99% of how Hags play her and abuse her camping and tunneling powers. It's also why I'd delete Leatherface's ability from the game. Like why does he exist as the ultimate camper?

That don't mean she should be NERFED and I'm hoping you're not pushing for that. Just crouch

I think any killer's power seems oppressive if the player is good/aggressive enough about using it. I like playing Hag and I'm generally okay going against Hag. There's an underrated counterplay, which is to run around chaotically and set off all the traps -- especially if she wasted a bunch of time putting all of them together.

I think the issue with basement Hag is that whether the Hag leaves the basement or not is irrelevant as that survivor is already dead the moment they're on that hook. Especially since there are traps you can place which can't be destroyed with a flashlight as they'll be automatically triggered. This means that if the Hag leaves the basement they can play territorally to camp them to death AND defend their 3 gen. 9 times out of 10 unhooking in that situation will just lead to a trade. This is especially problematic as with Agitation, Hag can usually corral people into her web and eventually get her basement hook. At which point that's just gg unless the survivors are really coordinated (Which can't be expected from solo que). I think that's the reason she's disliked. She encourages a very tunnelly/campy playstyle AND also has a downright insane chase power when set up well. Which isn't very hard, I used to play Hag a lot and at least 3K'd like 90% of my games by being territorial.

If a Hag sets up in an area and the survivor goes there, they go down. The counterplay there is to just know where she set up (Which, again, cannot be expected of solo's). You could argue that's the same with Trapper, here's the thing though. Trapper has to collect his power and thus his set up takes substantially longer. Hag can just set up a trap, wherever and whenever she wants. Her traps are capped at 10 but it's not like Demo where if you place all your traps then you can't place another. There is no consequence for just placing a trap at every loop you come across which means that even a bad player can excel if they just so happened to set up well. People don't want braindead looping but what they do want is viable counterplay. You can't exactly flashlight the trap midchase so if you go into her web of traps then you're dead, especially if basement is nearby.

People complain about Deathslinger but not Huntress. Why is that? I'd argue it's because there's actual counterplay with Huntress. She telegraphs by audio and visual cues when she pulls up her hatchets so survivors know when to try and dodge. With Deathslinger there is no audio cue and on top of that, he can instantly shoot after ADSing or cancel the ADS and M1 normally. This means that you either have to be constantly dodging which will get you hit if he cancels his power, hold forward and hope he misses which will get you hit if he commits to the shot or constantly keep looking back whilst simultaneously not bumping into anything. Even if you do that last one, if you bump into something you'll get hit, if he fakes the shot by ADSing and then cancelling it then you get hit and even if he commits to the shot you can still be hit if he makes the correct read. It's very stressful and unfun to be chased by a Deathslinger but that's just my two cents.

I personally think you're trying to dumb down people's arguments because the idea that people might have genuine complaints regarding your main is uncomfortable to think about. Which I would understand if that's the case. The idea that by playing my favourite killer I'd be making the survivors game miserable is uncomfortable for me to think about. Perhaps you're afraid that if enough people will complain then she could be nerfed which could reduce your enjoyment of playing her, which is also understandable, if a bit selfish. Or perhaps you don't care and I'm just needlessly assuming things, lol. Either way, this has gone on for far too long and I need to eat my lunch. I hope this wasn't too much of a trudge to read and I wish you a happy Holiday!