Why is Legacy not finally given free for all BHVR ?
Hey,
very often there were these discussions.... always there were these arguments.... Legacy will not come back, or: it was harder to prestige a character with the old blood network... no thanks, we don't want and so on and so on....
What about all the exclusives that were made free by the developers, like the Huntress Mask, or the Jacket of David, which you could only buy if you played the respective event ? The same now with Charms (Dwightcrow), which you could only get if you had some luck and watched the respective streams. What about things like the trapper mask or the outfit of Claudette or Meg which you could only get if you were at the respective events like the Pax ?
Do you remember the bug where all outfits were free like the dev shirt for the Nea ? Strangely, no one complained about that. The majority was even happy about it....no it was patched away again with the reason: It would be unfair to the others. I mean with special developer items that only devs are allowed to wear that would be understandable... but like this?
What about all the people who had Legacy and lost it because of a game bug and did not get it back ? All these people look into the void and are very angry about it.
But the fact is: Everything you could earn cost time. Whether it was a Charm....or an Eventitem or Legacy Skins. It's just time invested, that's all it is. My personal opinion? Exclusive items are bad for the game and that includes legacy items. Whether you've spent hours grinding, hours watching a stream, or hours at an event....it's the same because it's all about time invested.
Whether there will ever be hope ? I don't know.....
regards
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they have stated many times that legacy was onr time thing for people who played since the begeining with the horid grind
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I played since beginning. I lost my progress. I lost my legacies (p3 trapper p1 Nurse and Jake) and never got them back. Im legacy player without legacies. If behaviour can't even provide skins to all players who deserved them just give them to everyone because their word is broken already
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This comes up regularly and we have stated, that no there are no plans to make Legacy available to all players, it was given out one time for those that went through the very early days of the game. It is not something that will be given out again.
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Thanks, but reconsider. i want my legacies back
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I know that and the majority of the community Mandy also knows that by now. Where is the difference between the Legacy Items and Eventitems or even Charms like the now with the Dwightcrow ? I get very annoyed with this because I too have spent hours watching streams to get a bit of luck ( now it just gets given out). I spent hours in events playing everything free....( items were also given out ) I was on pax.... (Items were also given out). Just help me please just understand this too whole.... is it just because this was all a 1x thing ? or do you not have the legacy code anymore ? ( might explain why BHVR didn't manage to find out who acquired Legacy back then and lost it due to the bug ). All I want is to understand it nothing more.
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The long lost unfulfilled promise.
Legacy should never come back out of respect to early adopters but those that lost legacy due to bhvr's poor save system should get them restored.
With adequate proof of course.
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The current bloodpoint system is hard to level a character with how many characters, perks, addons, items, and offerings there are. Easily this merits that players get the prestige rewards for it.
Also if they allowed us to get the prestige rewards again it would make less of a incentive for players to seek out ways to cheat the cosmetics in, which leads to less incentive to abusing other kinds of cheats as well.
So saying no to a very simple, easy solution that will lessen the burden of the current growing cheater problem in dead by daylight.
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forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/103996/developer-update-november-2019 we answered these questions at the time.
And the DwightCrow charm we didn't say was a permanent exclusive item. We may time to time make things available via our Partners and these will often be also available to the general Community at a later date.
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I don't like event only things in general. because any number of things can stop someone from being there.
event early? go ahead. have them have it for an year or something before others can get it (like the rift outfits), that is perfectly fine.
given for free at an event but purchaseable at the store? great.
but in general, I'm very against time-limited or event only stuff. Because whenever I'm not around for them, feels like #########. and when I am around, it's either "I got this amazing thing no one else can get. that's lame", or "I got this thing I won't ever use. and for some reason other can't get it". if the thing is good, it sucks for the other people because they can't have a good thing. if the thing is bad, it's bad.
exclusivity sucks and should not be a thing anywhere.
if they gave prestige to everyone, it will be exactly like the hound mask for the huntress. it will go from "no one uses it" to "still no one uses it but if little jimmy wants to, he can".
there's no downside to simply allowing people to acquire stuff.
Legacy should never come back out of respect to early adopters
I honestly can not relate to this type of thinking. If I knew this game existed, could get it and play it. I would have.
but you know, I wasn't born with a lot of money to buy great pcs and wasn't around the correct circles to know it existed. therefore I don't deserve it, right?
because having the means to do a thing and knowledge about said thing, means that person is more deserving, right?
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its sucks, but image the out cry if they give it to every one its just simple damage contorl if i can call it like that
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Don't mistake me for being a legacy holding onto my trophies. I started playing after the deadline.
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I'd imagine the backlash would be intense
I remember when they made all the ultra rare ones and previous event cosmetics free and that pissed people off
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well, it's not that. it's just the mindset.
I don't think anyone should be the only one to get a thing just because they came earlier, or happened to be able to go to an event (at least when it comes to digital stuff).
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The mindset is, I don't deserve something I didn't earn.
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As someone that owns the full legacy set for Claudette and 2 pieces for Dwight I'd be perfectly fine with others being able to get legacy. Whether that be the devs adding a way to unlock them or simply giving them out for free.
Sure, on the rare occasion I like to flex these old ass exclusives but I don't care enough about them to want to be one of the few that has them. This would also solve the issue for the people that lost legacy way back. Of course there will be some backlash, there's no doubt, however I don't think it'd be that big of a deal. I have no idea how many people earned legacy but at this point it's so old and so many people lost it I imagine there's few people that still play from back then that actually have it.
As someone that has legacy cosmetics for 2 characters they rarely end up being used and I see them even less.
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No people worked to unlock those legacies, I don't have any since I did not play at that time. But I believe if someone earns an exclusive item than it stay should exclusive forever. Those veterans deserve them as a reward for their dedication, like it was not a free item they got they actually had to put in work.
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I think Legacies being exclusive is fine imo. Those were the people supporting the game when it was still a baby indie game, I think it's fair that they have something different from the rest of the playerbase. Event items/cosmetics are a different story because DBD was already quite well established when those happened. The Dwightcrow charm is not even a comparison, there's a huge gap between someone who played the game in the old days and grinded through it to someone who just kept watching a bunch of streams last year.
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and I earn them by being born earlier or with money. and sometimes I earn them by being born in another country.
such a great mindset...
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Life's not fair
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The real question is why do you even still care about legacy in 2021 when you have all these unique cosmetics , why care about a default reskin with some yellow on it?
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They don't give back the legacy cosmetics to their own Fog Whisperers, Puppers for example.
He said on stream that he asked for his legacies back and the devs denied.
I know, it sucks hard.
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this is a game. it can be.
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Funnily enough people whined about the ones that came from going to real life events but still defend legacy lmao. If anything it should be the other way around if at all.
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Console never got the chance to receive them, and they grinded their butts off as well with all the killers and survivors that are in the game.
Why not make it a new, special, maybe a bit expensive charity pack. Fill it up with charms of the past rifts and you have everyone happy and you also support a good cause as company. Maybe something for ALS, for the fog whisperer Puppers (the community of streamers did an event for the ALS for Puppers).
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Y'all really comparing a charm to legacy outfits.
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simply because BHVR started with the release of all event items, which I have also worked hard and I initially called it unfair. I'm sorry but this 1x thing or, people who have played it at the beginning argument no longer pulls with me. I have also torn me the butt and what happened ? Also, you have to see the benefits of it. No more tickets because of Legacy Cheater....and the few who would possibly complain about it... oh god BHVR would just get so much more positive feedback. Everyone would be equal, whether it's us veterans or newbies or consoleplayers but unfortunately that's not seen.
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While I do see your point, having legacy re-released would take away the exclusivity of it- basically what you just complained about. I do think it's ridiculous that stuff like Dwightcrow has been re-released and outfits from certain events, but that same idea applies with legacy. Really I don't think legacy looks good, it's literally the default outfit with a few gold speckles on them. The only reason we put value to legacy is because it's from the early days, so if they were re-released and we saw someone with a legacy outfit it would just be like...ok.
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I wish I could get legacy Nurse, but I'm console. :c
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Something im greatful for as a legacy player
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Yea and getting it was a mess. During and after the event. And you gave statements about other exclusive cosmetics which where pretty accurate to the legacy skins. Means it would make a lot of sense giving them to the community.
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Legacy skins aren't even exclusive to old school players, I have seen plenty of hackers with them! So much for being unique and special little dumplings.
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I don’t care if Legacy stays exclusive or if it’s released to the public, but I do have an opinion about the entitled mentality some have around here.
Just because you play a video game during a certain timeframe does not mean you “deserve” anything special. You didn’t “work” for it, you just sat on your butt (or stood) playing a video game. You didn’t “earn” anything that no one else should be denied. Heck, if the devs wanted to they could throw a kill switch on Legacy cosmetics (or any cosmetics for that matter) and you’d never see them again - and you can’t fight it because you signed their EULA.
The only exceptions I tolerate are of the kickstarter/pre-order variety. You support a game before it comes out = you get certain stuff. I will admit that if something was given to kickstarter supporters (like a cosmetic) but then released shortly thereafter to the public then that would be a jerk move by the devs. However at this point for DBD, the game has been out for years and non-legacy survivors have probably put in more hours than those who do have legacy.
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Hackers can use any cosmetic in the store without paying for it.
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The catch 22 here is nobody would care about legacy if it had no meaning behind it. It was a promise made by the Devs to to earily player base, a one time opportunity. They were up front about it exclusivity and how to obtain it. Not everyone playing at the time got it. Some grinded for days getting all characters to P3 before the deadline. If you want to dismiss that as sitting on your ass doing nothing then so be it.
It is not the same as event cosmetics. The never stated those were exclusive. The Devs could of recycled those every year if they wanted.
If we want to talk about poor mentalities. Its being envious of what others have.
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I agree with everything you said except the last part:
However at this point for DBD, the game has been out for years and non-legacy survivors have probably put in more hours than those who do have legacy.
This sort of implied argument, that having a certain amount of hours put into the game means you should have legacy (sorry if I am interpreting your post wrong - please point out if that is not what you meant!).
The hours you had to put into the game to get legacy when it was available were very, very different from now. Actual infinites were a thing. A bug where infinite Survivors loaded into the game until it crashed existed. Disconnect penalty did not exist. Moris could be used after one hook. Bloodwebs were huge. The animations in the bloodweb, actually buying something, took forever. It was absolutely awful. It was a very different experience compared to how it is nice and you shouldn't go by hours spent in the modern game as a justification or argument for giving out legacy.
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Excuse me, but why should Legacy have any meaning now ? There are enough hackers running around with this stuff. It's not something special anymore. And as for the event cosmetics: Of course it's the same, because you had to invest time to grind back then, too. I have often written that the time factor plays an important role. Whether you sit on your butt and grind, go to events or play events ingame...it's the same.... and as for the devs: of course you could have relaunched the event items every year, but instead the devs just released them to everyone. For doing nothing, you know what I mean ? And that's exactly how it is with Legacy too.... And while we're at it. This has quite little to do with envy. This is about equality and nothing else.
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Because hackers can is not a justification one should make in an online game.
Hackers can jump into a survivor lobby as a killer. I guess I should be able to do that too. A hacker can unlock every perk on ever character. Why am I stuck grinding hours for bloodpoints? Shouldn't all this stuff be unlocked for me? Why do I have to buy cosmetics with real money? It should just be available for me to use.
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That's true!
but people justify Legacy with the fact that everything was harder in the past and you had to invest a lot of time? What about those who had to spend a lot of time in events ?, what about those who were on the road for days on events ? with those who watched streams for hours ? With those who played Legacy because of a bug and lost ?
Sry but this is ridiculous...
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Invest a lot of time in a short amount of time.
Events aren't the same. As I've said before, the community assumed those were exclusive. The Devs actually stated Legacy would never happen again and set a firm deadline to receive them.
As for those that lost earned legacy. I've always supported them getting it back. I don't see the justification to give it to everyone with that point.
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So much *entitlement* and petulant whining in this thread. I'd like to say I'm astonished, but at this point...
Never change, DBD forums.
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Skimmed over this and didn't see one of the big factors for making all of the other "exclusive" cosmetics free for all.
People sold them for real money and at insane prices. Some of those things was selling for HUNDREDS of dollars! And you bet there was also people being scammed over them as well. That's reason enough to just make them all free for everyone.
Legacy on the other hand never had to deal with that. It was impossible to get Legacy without first earning it legit through grinding out prestige when it took 3-5 times as many blood points per level and with BP gains per game being much less than compared to now. Legacy wasn't "given out", it was earned.
And it's my opinion that it should remain exclusive. It's so rare now that it might as well not exist anyway and gets you reported for hacking more than anything.
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Once the blood webs get reworked to cost less BP im hoping that they'll add new prestige levels maybe 4 5 and 6. And those can be legacy skins for newer non licensed survivors and killers. But thats only a dream.
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After what you have heard and read, I honestly do not believe but I like to dream with you :)
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I don’t agree that playing during a time when the game was in a crappy (crappier?) state should merit an exclusive reward.
I mean, you could argue that modern DBD still has ridiculous things. Hatch is barely getting fixed… moris and hatch updated to an acceptable state, the syringe and styptic are more tolerable (but not perfect). Bloodwebs are still ridiculous if you want all perks on all characters, even worse if you’re P3’ing.
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I prefaced my statement saying I don’t care about Legacy being kept exclusive or released to the public, so you can drop the argument that I’m saying what I’m saying because of envy - thanks!
To your other point, I think you missed what I’m trying to focus on here. Even if the devs said Legacy would be exclusive, if they decided to release it to everyone after a few years that’s perfectly fine. They own everything (non-licensed) within their game so they can do what they want with it. The problem people have here is thinking “oh I played DBD during <X> and they devs said <Y> so no one else should get <Z> but me!”. Uh, no - you have no say over what gets done with cosmetics you don’t own. It’s not a “slap in the face” either, all you did was play a video game so quit acting like you’re entitled to something special because you’re not.
Please know I’m not directing the above paragraph to you, I’m simply saying “You” directed at those who my statement applies to.
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This would be fine for a statement if the developers took their product seriously and did anything toward those that can hack in the items you so desperately state are unavailable. Even now, cheating and applying these Legacy outfits are possible because of the disinterest of the developer to tackle cheating.
Whenever I see a player using these outfits, I don't assume they've gotten it legitimately whatsoever.
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What about the sad veterans who lost it due to BHVRs fault and never got it back?
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Legacy is exclusive to cheaters and og players. Since most old players have left in disgust, you are left with cheaters lol..
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I don't really understand the point of your arguments. Yes, we technically don't "own" anything in this game. But we're not talking about legal mumbo-jumbo, we're talking in simpler terms. The fact is that the devs promised to keep legacy exclusive to those that earned it before the 2016 deadline and they are morally obligated to keep that promise. I feel like you're making this topic way more complicated than it needs to be. The developers said they'd keep it exclusive, that's that. End of story. It doesn't matter that we technically don't "own" the skins.
If legacy skins were re-released to everyone, the reason it'd be a "slap in the face" is because BHVR would be breaking their promise of their exclusivity. Arguing that it wouldn't be a slap in the face because we don't actually technically own the skins is farcical. They must've repeated that legacy is exclusive/not returning probably THOUSANDS of times because of threads like this (see example from MandyTalks).
It doesn't matter what your opinion is on the matter. The fact is the devs promised legacy would stay exclusive. The problems you mention with the game now are absolutely nothing compared to the problems there was in 2016. They're not comparable and even if they were, it doesn't matter.
In response to your last paragraph: How can you possibly write all the stuff you have including downplaying legacy and its exclusivity status but then still tolerate exclusives for "kickstarter/pre-order"ing games? Do you mean to tell me you'd retract all of your arguments above if we had gotten legacy from pre-ordering DBD instead of earning it 5 months after release? How does that make any sense? We were still early adopters of an extremely unbalanced, buggy and grindy game (albeit fun and unique) that didn't even have SWF on release, or dedicated servers or any core mechanics you are accustomed to today like Bloodlust, Window Blocking, Exhaustion, EGC. I could go on about things like, old vacuums, old pallet numbers, killers lag switching everyone out the game, old infinites, old BNP, old Mori's, a common loss of progress bug, the fact you had to ready up every 5 seconds in a SWF because of a bug and spend ages queuing only to be dodged by a killer and sent back to the lobby, re-invite your friends and repeat.
People who played in 2016 were essentially supporting a game that should have had the name "Dead By Daylight [ALPHA/BETA]" so, again, your argument doesn't hold up. It would only hold up if you actually supported legacy staying exclusive.
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