With the new meta will you continue to SWF?
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By that logic we should be able switch killers like we use to.
but you know what that do? make a lot people switching last sec (killer,items,addon) or a lot of dodging.
@Swampoffering got a point SWF breaks the game and the game was meant to be played in solo
I know some in swf are just messing around like your team but they are others who just trying to ruin the killers fun they get enjoyment out of it.
something needs to be done about swf and solo's so they on the same level because remember this is a 4vs1 not 1vs1.
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then they need to add voice chat to the game buff killers who need it that way swf and solo be the same.
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someone who gets it.
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To throw my two cents in, I too do not enjoy playing solo when it comes to survivor. The game is not balanced around solo survivor, yet ironically it's not built around killers having to compete with a well coordinated team that is in constant communication with one another either. It's a mess all around, but I'd easily play killer over solo survivor any day.
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Let me guess, you're a Twitch streamer? 🤣😂😭
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idk what your point is? Even without the twitch mention what you posted is painful to read.
playing with friends is just so boosted man I agree.
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All of my friends have quit DBD. 🙁
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Says the guy who implies that I have no friends bc I don't play swf on dbd. 🤣😂🤣😂
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Right? Same.
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As long as the feature is in the game and people have friends SWF will be a thing. SWF is not the sole reason you lose and most of the time people just want to play with their friends. Simple as that.
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someone else who gets it
you see SWF not cheating but SWF with Coms is like cheating but the dev can't doing anything about it.
like this there need to be more emot or at least a text chat to buff solo, like a button system (no typing) like word pop up like heal me,save me,do gens soomething like that then buff killers accordingly.
I think that fix some of the things not all I'm sure.
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Did you not read what I said? I agreed with you in that post, not sure what you're talking about.
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After you made fun of me for never playing swf.
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If I'm not playing with a SWF, I generally just don't play survivor. Solo queue survivor is not worth the time spent doing it, in my honest opinion, and that will be even more true at 90 second gens.
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Why are you highlighting an offhand comment made by the people who run the wiki (Which is not BHVR), this isn't written by BHVR lmao what a joke.
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Discord released in 2015, I made my account before DBD even came out, and a whole year before I started playing even, you are talking absolute nonsense lmao.
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yes, when i play KYF besides having the problem to full a room and dont earn BP, a lot of people STILL USE META BUILDS, and try to win so hard that they get mad and disconnect after getting owned.
I ve seen some friends stop talking to each other over kyf matches, i will still play swf because its fun i dont see why i wouldnt its a bit better than solo
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Kindred basekit would be good start but then also killers should have BBQ as basekit.
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Why wouldnt its the best way to survive and bully the killer.
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Solo Q was already a nightmare. This just confirmed Behaviour doesn't give a flying feck about solo Q, they consider killers more important because they need them, and SWF more important because they need them and so they buy their overpriced skins. So they give bits and pieces to both sides so they shut up, and then obliterate solo Q because they're not majority and nobody cares about them. To be fair most of the players don't care about solo Q either. Killer mains are entitled and will take any survivor nerf any time of the day, and SWF doesn't even know solo Q exists.
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Who says it's an offhand comment?
The wiki, as far as I can tell, generally bases that stuff on what the devs actually said at some point. When some of the admins were still active on here, you could tell they were very passionate about accuracy of the stuff they put on the wiki. Judging by that, it wouldn't sense for them to make that statement up and put it there, that seems to go against their core philosophy.
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It's also what breaks the game for every killer except Nurse/Blight.
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I thought the same thing.
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Because I checked the edit history and that comment wasn't added until 2020
I would love it if anyone can find the source of it being added due to "immense demand", if no Dev has ever said that (I cannot find it) then it is absolutely an offhand comment.
Edit: I've spoken to the wiki people and they've said the quote isn't an "offhand comment" it's definitely something the Devs said they just don't know when they said, or where they said it they just say it definitely happened which is funny because it was only added In 2020 and they have no source for it other than they're sure it was said
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SWF is not cheating
SWF using Discord is not cheating
SWF was always intended to be added to the game, the delay in adding it was purely down to not having the time to make KYF and SWF, so KYF was prioritised.
Survivors communicating is not cheating...just because voice communication is not in the game does not make using discord cheating. We fully expect players to play together and be chatting on some form of voice communication at the same time.
The game rules are clear, please do not call something cheating when it clearly isn't. This is something that's decided by ourselves.
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Giving solos basic information SWFs already get. This benefits solos without actually benefiting SWF.
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Likening SWF to a disease that affects hundreds of thousands of people is not cool. Don't do that. Also, removing SWF would actually kill the game, not save it.
There's this misguided notion that all SWFs are boosted death squads out to destroy the killer and they win more games than they lose. This is simply not the case. You have the bully squads who make up less than 1% of all SWFs, then you have the casual players who are just looking to have fun playing a game with their friends and are usually of varying degrees of skill.
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I really wish people would go back and watch the old dev steams like this one from before launch where they say SWF is planned.
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Why would I stop playing DBD with my friends?
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I understand that (expect players to play together and be chatting on some form of voice communication at the same time) then why is there no voice communication or at least text communication have solo?
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Still it wasn't as popular, people were using also Teamspeak back in the day, so what?
If Discord closes tomorrow that's also planned By Behaviour right? They accounted for it since inception too, "anectdotically".
I wonder what People in Nintendo Switch would do, or whoever does not want to use Discord.
SWF with voice comms is colateral damage and unintended. And it's cheating. People just hate to admit it.
That very same people, accidentally, will cry about "nurse breaking the rules of the game". The irony.
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> Posting a proper source
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> Not posting a timestamp for an hour long video, which means no one is going to watch it
Timestamped link here (23:33):
Note that at the beginning there is a question about playing ranked mode together to which the answer is no. (This is not the question from the timestamp!) That is not about SWF but about what ranked KYF would be. That might be where the confusion about whether or not SWF was planned is coming from.
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Idk i may find those 1% each game I feel lucky to be such high mmr playing addonless
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Even then, voice comms is a separate story entirely.
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There was never any plan for us to introduce voice communication, nor is there. It's not something we wish to do ourselves especially as there's many other methods for players to communicate with their friends.
Many people also bring up balancing when they talk about bring solo level up to SWF level by voice comms, which completely disregards the fact that not everyone speaks the same languages and that server regions cover areas with many different languages. We have discussed in the past how to bring solo survivors up to the level of SWF, and I believe that this is still under discussion.
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Different timestamp where the developers say they expect people to use voice chat.
No voice chat between strangers because it ruins immersion.
"We expect friends to communicate as they want [...]".
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Your actual friends - typically - will speak your language. Assuming that's not the case it's beyond stupid if you ask me, and just a way to deviate from the actual topic.
Does Voice Communication provide an edge against many killers ? Does it give an advantage versus no comms?
If the answer is yes, then adjust the perks accordingly or we must be honest with ourselves and admit a good chunk of players are essentially cheating. People don't like the word, I get that but...
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You are looking at it wrong.
SWF gives no advantage.
Being solo gives you a disadvantage.
The powerlevel of SWF is what it should be. Balance discussions should be about Killers that are too weak / disadvantaged when playing against SWF and solo Survivor players having too much of a disadvantage.
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That's again bullshit, it's was never up to them, they don't have to allow or disallow.
Devs don't have a say. They cannot control it, so you may as well say "it's fine we don't care". That's why they say that, I mean seriously people let's grow up.
Same goes for hardcore camping, they don't want it, they even try to balance to avoid it. But they can't without destroying the player base with unfair rules for Killers. Solution: say it's just "intended" and all good, yet the old actual 'facecamping' was quickly fixed once they had the chance.
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I don't understand what you mean. That livestream is from shortly before launch. They went into launch with the expectation that players will use voice chat (once SWF is implemented). What does that have to do with allowing/banning voice chat?
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With this upcoming update, solos are gonna need some huge help so you guys may wanna prioritize that next.
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Okay, I can accept that then, it's stupid to add actions though and not voice comms and relying in third party setups for such "intended feature".
Also, then remove aura perks, are not needed for Survsis, and nullified for Killers. Also remove Killers lime the Trapper it's kinda pointless if you can pinpoint traps to others,etc.
Also make it so you can speak with ANYONE and ANYTIME no? Just like in say Overwatch ot other online games, they don't relay on Discord.
I mean at this point trying to defend it is just lazy and becomes ridiculous as soon as you can reason about things.
Devs can say what they want, imho, on that regard they are simply full of s*t.
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thanks for getting back to me
what I think would work two words in text like thing (button system) like heal me,save me do gens something like that or at least more emots.
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They knew the moment SWF was released people would cheat using voice comms. Pretty much.
What I said is that they never had a say, it was never up to them to allow it.
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People should watch the whole video, might find more useful info outside the swf stuff. 😂
*totally not making an excuse after accidentally not including timestamp from copy/paste of the comment I made the other day on another post where someone claimed it wasn't planned and being too lazy to go back to that post again to grab timestamp because I just woke up* 😂
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But it’s mentioned time and time again that SWF on voice comms are not cheating.
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Do we have one of these where they speak about voice communications playing against bots? Whenever they introduce the feature, if they do.
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Why is not cheating? Because someone says is on a stream?
Ask yourself: do you nullify killers and their perks? do you gain free perks and better coordination using voice comms than without it? Do you get free information on what the killer is doing and where he is?
If yes -> you re pretty much cheating, use whatever other word you like. Though.
You may as well then run a soft hack, stretched resolution, etc.
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But they expected SWF to be using voice chat. If they didn't want that they could have just added SWF and made it so there is no lobby where you can check who you are going into the game with.
That the game isn't balanced properly around voice chat and that there are still perks being created that are dead on arrival (example: Empathic Connection, almost completely useless if you are on voice chat) is a separate issue.
It gave me an excuse to post Mrs. Crocombe so that's a plus 👍
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But if it’s confirmed by BHVR to not be cheating, than it’s NOT cheating.
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