If disconnecting from a game is bannable, so should killing yourself on the hook
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You’re talking about people who rush their dead the first time they’re hooked. Got your point now. Well, yes, I would punish those as well.
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In my case, I struggle until the very end or until my fingers give up. People who give up when they could have been saved are simply selfish.
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Killers still get their kill, survivors get bps just not as much. What’s the problem here?
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@Gorgonia said:
In my case, I struggle until the very end or until my fingers give up. People who give up when they could have been saved are simply selfish.The amount you push in struggle phase doesn't matter beyond the prescribed amount. It's just a steady hit per like 1-2 seconds.
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@Gamzello said:
Killers still get their kill, survivors get bps just not as much. What’s the problem here?Killers get points from a dc what's the problem?
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Yikes.purebalance said:@Gamzello said:
Killers still get their kill, survivors get bps just not as much. What’s the problem here?Killers get points from a dc what's the problem?
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Wait. What do you want to achieve with this, OP?1
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@popoles said:
Wait. What do you want to achieve with this, OP?Killing yourself on the hook needs to count towards their little dc bans. Instead of dc'ing people just kill themselves on the hook. Same result.
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Right, yikes. Killers get 625 for a dc and get 2 points towards sacrifice emblem. It's 1100 if you ######### on the hook and you still get the same 2 points.
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@purebalance said:
@Gorgonia said:
In my case, I struggle until the very end or until my fingers give up. People who give up when they could have been saved are simply selfish.The amount you push in struggle phase doesn't matter beyond the prescribed amount. It's just a steady hit per like 1-2 seconds.
I got tendinitis. I’m a big no no for fighting games and constant button pressing. I sometimes have to let go.
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Oh OK.purebalance said:@popoles said:
Wait. What do you want to achieve with this, OP?Killing yourself on the hook needs to count towards their little dc bans. Instead of dc'ing people just kill themselves on the hook. Same result.
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@Gorgonia said:
@purebalance said:
@Gorgonia said:
In my case, I struggle until the very end or until my fingers give up. People who give up when they could have been saved are simply selfish.The amount you push in struggle phase doesn't matter beyond the prescribed amount. It's just a steady hit per like 1-2 seconds.
I got tendinitis. I’m a big no no for fighting games and constant button pressing. I sometimes have to let go.
Which is why I have previously suggested both mechanics need to be revamped if you read the thread.
The escape option needs to be 3 random skill checks closer to the end of the first phase, but not one after the other. They should be between the size of overcharge rank 3 and the great skill check area.
Struggle phase just needs to go in general and be really just nothing but the animation.
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Survivors get depipped, and get no bps. You still get bps, and if I remember killers for the majority of the time get a lot more bps than survivors even if you end up killing one person.purebalance said:Right, yikes. Killers get 625 for a dc and get 2 points towards sacrifice emblem. It's 1100 if you [BAD WORD] on the hook and you still get the same 2 points.
purebalance said:Right, yikes. Killers get 625 for a dc and get 2 points towards sacrifice emblem. It's 1100 if you [BAD WORD] on the hook and you still get the same 2 points.
I don’t really see the problem here you still get bps for it no matter what.
While dcing won’t give you as much bps, you still got them. It’s literally better than nothing. Just move on the next match?0 -
@purebalance said:
@Poweas said:
@purebalance said:
@Poweas said:
@purebalance said:
@Delfador said:
So basically if my finger slips (yes it does) I am gonna get banned. It is gonna be very exciting.Also literally using game's feature is bannable offense? I hope using DS and NOED is also bannable lmao
lol your finger slips? Bullshit.
Happens to everyone actually. You seem like a very new player so it probably happens to you all the time. I wonder if you get rekt by a Freddy too?
Awwww you resort to personal attacks because you have nothing better to do. Sad that you have no ground to stand on so you lie and attack people.
Yup ty for summarising me mate ^^
I mean yeah you need a ban considering you brought nothing of value to a thread other than slinging personal attacks and lying.
You need a ban for making such a pointless thread lol, there's so much reasons why people would kill themselves on hook and I listed them before. And if one personal attack by me is deserving of a ban, then I can count up yours mate you've been attacking everyone who makes a valid point. At one point someone mentioned saying their finger slips sometimes and you said 'lol your finger slips? Bullshit.' So dont go accusing me of making personal attacks when clearly you're in more of a wrong then me. Pipe the hell down. I'll list all the scenarios of why someone might kill themselves if you'd like mate.
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@purebalance why are you so angry about this wow just tell me why this is such a big problem for you. Teammates dont kill themselves often on the hook so why are u so mad.
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@purebalance said:
So you're ragequitting which is against the rules. It flat out says rage quitting in the report listing. Killing yourself on the hook IS currently against the rules, they just don't enforce it.
@purebalance said:
It's still a rage quit which is forbidden by the rules.
Incorrect, you could have isp issues, hand slips, the game lags, your hand got tired etc. The report states that rage quitting aka disconnecting is a bannable offence. IT doesn't say anywhere that suiciding on the hook is a bannable offence.
From the official rules:
UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT
Disconnects or rage quitting - DO NOT REPORT Aka unplugging your router/modem/internet cord, restarting computer, killing process off.
Suiciding on the hook isn't mentioned because the devs know that'd be a really foolish thing to punish for considering all the reasons already mentioned.
How do you prove they did it on purpose, are you secretly recording them over their video cam? Are you going to run an illegal program to monitor their keystrokes or button mashing. Are you going to ask them after each death on hook why they died early?
Are you going to scan every killers game to make sure it wasn't something they did like lag switching, bad isp, or check each survivors connection and make sure it's good?
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If killing yourself on the hook is bannable , then how is a person got jump into the hatch as soon as possible as the friend dies0
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I'm truly struggling with trying to find words to describe this thread. I'm trying very hard to say something that isn't rude or offensive. So I'll simply say this. I strongly disagree with the OP.
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Who wants to keep playing when you get camped and other survivors are stupid enough to not do gens ? Lel. I'd DC aswell.
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@powerbats said:
@fcc2014 said:
@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.NEED LOL BUTTON BACK!!!
Here, use this instead it's so much more noticeable and gives your feelings an expression.
Thank you i will need to save it.
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@purebalance said:
@fcc2014 said:
@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.NEED LOL BUTTON BACK!!!
Not sure if agreeing or being dumb. It literally says "rage quitting" not disconnecting in the report menu.
OH NO, Understand i am laughing at you!
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if I’m going to be blunt, this logic is flawed. Literally makes no sense: if your teammate kills themselves, learn to deal. I hate it as much as the next guy, but if it REALLY bothers you that much, play swf
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@Dreamnomad said:
I'm truly struggling with trying to find words to describe this thread. I'm trying very hard to say something that isn't rude or offensive. So I'll simply say this. I strongly disagree with the OP.Say what you want, he's been insulting some people in this thread.
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Man what is up with all these bannable offenses trying too be implemented into the game?
First it was if you DC it should be a bannable offense, then it was if the killer or survivor dosen't do anything then it should be bannable; then people who brought in certain perks should be ban; people tbagging and clicking their flashlights should be ban, survivors screwing up the auto aim of killers should be ban, looping the killer should be ban and now where reaching too this? killing yourself on the hook should be banned now also?
because yeah you know, your so helpful too the team when you get hooked and its not like once you get off your just going to immediately get knocked down by the camping killer again; so yeah i see no reason sticking around if the majority of the match im in is just me struggling on the hook.Jesus, it's like you guys are trying to make it where everything you do in the game is somehow a bannable offense? and everyone should be punished just for playing the damn game; i mean why?
Are you guys trying to make it where people stop playing because they know if they did anything in game, it would lead to a their account getting banned.Also, Who honestly cares? its not like this game has hardcore rank matches and such; your not gaining or losing anything either way, rather then maybe a few bloodpoints and thats it.
but if that's somehow the reason why your wanting too ban this, then your literally getting upset over a virtual currency that has no value whats so ever, which is pretty pathetic in my opinion...0 -
there is a bug currently on console that pressing the button will still kill you instantly sometimes
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Dead by Daylight is an online game, so the interruption of the computer connection between guest and host therefore contrasts with the rules, like a football player who arbitrarily leaves the playing field during the game. Suicide on the hook is instead part of the game, like a football player who, despite having the ability to avoid a goal, does not intervene. The reasons can be the most disparate, and cannot be judged: the penalty for those who play badly is defeat, the penalty for those who play incorrectly is the disciplinary sanction. Let's see some good reasons to commit suicide on the hook:
1) altruistic sacrifice for the companion who has found the hatch or who is likely to fall into an ambush;
2) awareness of the impossibility of being saved in time, and conscious renunciation of points for struggling;
3) surrender (you can claim correctness from your opponent, but not that they continue to play a game that they consider lost to humiliate them or to gain more points on their frustration: even in war the surrender is admitted, I do not see what absurd reason it should be excluded in an online game, whose main purpose is the enjoyment of individuals who have paid its purchase price for leisure time).
I find it essentially tyrannical to impose on other players what moves to make within the rules, to use the threat of sanction to force them to play in a certain pre-established way: the players are not puppets, they have their own head and are free to play according to the priorities, methods and strategies that they, according to their unquestionable judgment, consider appropriate, within the rules: as long as struggling will require repeated pressure of an X, each player retains the freedom to decide whether to press it and to what extent to press it; when, in a hypothetical future, the struggling will be automatic, the player will have to take up the whole sacrificial process, from the beginning to the very end.
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######### man! I was kinda working hard for this... 🙄Vietfox said:Congrats OP, you just won the biggest LOL ever.
Edit: oh, thought you meant when playing as a killer.
When playing as survivor sucks, yeah, but nothing we can do about it. In a perfect world all survivors would struggle till the end to give enough time to the other teammates to do gens...0 -
@Entità said:
Dead by Daylight is an online game, so the interruption of the computer connection between guest and host therefore contrasts with the rules, like a football player who arbitrarily leaves the playing field during the game. Suicide on the hook is instead part of the game, like a football player who, despite having the ability to avoid a goal, does not intervene. The reasons can be the most disparate, and cannot be judged: the penalty for those who play badly is defeat, the penalty for those who play incorrectly is the disciplinary sanction. Let's see some good reasons to commit suicide on the hook:
1) altruistic sacrifice for the companion who has found the hatch or who is likely to fall into an ambush;
2) awareness of the impossibility of being saved in time, and conscious renunciation of points for struggling;
3) surrender (you can claim correctness from your opponent, but not that they continue to play a game that they consider lost to humiliate them or to gain more points on their frustration: even in war the surrender is admitted, I do not see what absurd reason it should be excluded in an online game, whose main purpose is the enjoyment of individuals who have paid its purchase price for leisure time).I find it essentially tyrannical to impose on other players what moves to make within the rules, to use the threat of sanction to force them to play in a certain pre-established way: the players are not puppets, they have their own head and are free to play according to the priorities, methods and strategies that they, according to their unquestionable judgment, consider appropriate, within the rules: as long as struggling will require repeated pressure of an X, each player retains the freedom to decide whether to press it and to what extent to press it; when, in a hypothetical future, the struggling will be automatic, the player will have to take up the whole sacrificial process, from the beginning to the very end.
Bullshit it isn't. Killing yourself on the hook is 100% the same thing as walking off the field mid game. You can try your mental gymnastics all you want, but they are both rage quitting.
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@Poweas said:
@Dreamnomad said:
I'm truly struggling with trying to find words to describe this thread. I'm trying very hard to say something that isn't rude or offensive. So I'll simply say this. I strongly disagree with the OP.Say what you want, he's been insulting some people in this thread.
Show where I've been rude. The only rude one here is you and the people trying to go through mental gymnastics claiming that killing yourself on the hook isn't rage quitting which is against the rules.
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@Watery said:
if I’m going to be blunt, this logic is flawed. Literally makes no sense: if your teammate kills themselves, learn to deal. I hate it as much as the next guy, but if it REALLY bothers you that much, play swfTell me how that's different than a dc other than 1k bp and the fact a dc already loses 2 pips for doing it?
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@fcc2014 said:
@purebalance said:
@fcc2014 said:
@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.NEED LOL BUTTON BACK!!!
Not sure if agreeing or being dumb. It literally says "rage quitting" not disconnecting in the report menu.
OH NO, Understand i am laughing at you!
Well then you're dumb. I guess people who have no logic laugh at people. Inb4 this is called "rude" when you're the one being rude and have lost any deserving of politeness.
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@Jago said:
Who wants to keep playing when you get camped and other survivors are stupid enough to not do gens ? Lel. I'd DC aswell.You ######### on the hook and you don't get punished currently even though it's a rage quit. You dc and you get punished because it's a rage quit.
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@powerbats said:
@purebalance said:
So you're ragequitting which is against the rules. It flat out says rage quitting in the report listing. Killing yourself on the hook IS currently against the rules, they just don't enforce it.
@purebalance said:
It's still a rage quit which is forbidden by the rules.
Incorrect, you could have isp issues, hand slips, the game lags, your hand got tired etc. The report states that rage quitting aka disconnecting is a bannable offence. IT doesn't say anywhere that suiciding on the hook is a bannable offence.
From the official rules:
UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT
Disconnects or rage quitting - DO NOT REPORT Aka unplugging your router/modem/internet cord, restarting computer, killing process off.
Suiciding on the hook isn't mentioned because the devs know that'd be a really foolish thing to punish for considering all the reasons already mentioned.
How do you prove they did it on purpose, are you secretly recording them over their video cam? Are you going to run an illegal program to monitor their keystrokes or button mashing. Are you going to ask them after each death on hook why they died early?
Are you going to scan every killers game to make sure it wasn't something they did like lag switching, bad isp, or check each survivors connection and make sure it's good?
Hook suicide is mentioned. It says disconnects OR rage quitting meaning they are similar yet different.
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That would mean using intended ingame mechanics would get you banned.
That's weird.2 -
@Boss said:
That would mean using intended ingame mechanics would get you banned.
That's weird.It wasn't intended as a way to exit the game. That's not weird. Using intended game mechanics in UNINTENDED ways is definitely something that has gotten people banned from many games historically. The hook escape button is not "WAHHHHH I DON'T WANT A DC BAN SO I'LL DO THIS TO RAGE QUIT."
Go back and reread my change suggestion in this thread and then we'd have this situation fixed. Until then it is a rage quit.
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Someone needs to realize that survivors are not a team. If someone decides to kill themselves on the hook, oh well. It sucks but you can't seriously punish people for it. I barely even think DC'ing should get you a ban. Excessive DCing should get a ban yes, but you should have the option to quit out of at least 2 games a day without getting a ban. It's really not that big of a deal.
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Dogmatic sentences are not arguments: think whatever you want.purebalance said:@Entità said:
Dead by Daylight is an online game, so the interruption of the computer connection between guest and host therefore contrasts with the rules, like a football player who arbitrarily leaves the playing field during the game. Suicide on the hook is instead part of the game, like a football player who, despite having the ability to avoid a goal, does not intervene. The reasons can be the most disparate, and cannot be judged: the penalty for those who play badly is defeat, the penalty for those who play incorrectly is the disciplinary sanction. Let's see some good reasons to commit suicide on the hook:
1) altruistic sacrifice for the companion who has found the hatch or who is likely to fall into an ambush;
2) awareness of the impossibility of being saved in time, and conscious renunciation of points for struggling;
3) surrender (you can claim correctness from your opponent, but not that they continue to play a game that they consider lost to humiliate them or to gain more points on their frustration: even in war the surrender is admitted, I do not see what absurd reason it should be excluded in an online game, whose main purpose is the enjoyment of individuals who have paid its purchase price for leisure time).I find it essentially tyrannical to impose on other players what moves to make within the rules, to use the threat of sanction to force them to play in a certain pre-established way: the players are not puppets, they have their own head and are free to play according to the priorities, methods and strategies that they, according to their unquestionable judgment, consider appropriate, within the rules: as long as struggling will require repeated pressure of an X, each player retains the freedom to decide whether to press it and to what extent to press it; when, in a hypothetical future, the struggling will be automatic, the player will have to take up the whole sacrificial process, from the beginning to the very end.
Bullshit it isn't. Killing yourself on the hook is 100% the same thing as walking off the field mid game. You can try your mental gymnastics all you want, but they are both rage quitting.
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I'm locking this as it's getting out of hand and I can see how it is going to escalate, the insults are already starting to fly.
Dying on a hook is not a bannable offence, trying to escape the hook is not a bannable offence, not pressing space bar is not a bannable offence.
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