Balancing SWF via gen time

Why are you punishing solo survivors?

I think it's interesting. Gen rush is a counter to every killer, so could do with a bit of sorting out. It's terribly dull when 3 survivors are working on a gen because they know their buddy is being chased.

I know SWF groups are a problem, but addressing it by inflating generator times isn't how it should be done.

The devs should try to grant solo players the same advantages that SWF groups have so playing solo feels almost indistinguishable from playing SWF. Give Survivors things like:

• Bond perk baseline (SWF groups can tell each other their locations)
• Kindred perk baseline (SWF groups will mention when the killer is camping them)
• Additional emotes (SWF groups can communicate with each other)

Then the devs can buff killers since Survivors are being given more tools. Maybe give Killers things like:

• Overcharge perk baseline (helps with generator rushing)
• Faster generator regression after kicking (helps stall the game out)
• Increased Field of View (helps find Survivors more easily)
• Lower cooldown on successful attacks (shorter chase times)
• Each time a Survivor is hooked, permanently reduce their action speed by 10%
• Allow Killers to choose a dull totem to place a hex on instead of it randomly being chosen
• Movement speed boost after hooking a Survivor (helps the Killer traverse the map)

Just some ideas.

@bloxe said:
No. Just no. SWF is the problem, thats what should be nerfed.

You can't nerf 4 players communicating in a Discord channel, it's external to the game. Also, how does one quantify the value of voice communication? Is it worth 20 extra seconds on each generator? 10 less seconds on the hook? Or maybe the voice comms work against the team and they just yells at each other, which makes these handicaps even more challenging for a team than for a solo player.

Also, there's no way to know for sure that the SWF is actually using voice communications to begin with. I've played SWF before where we didn't use voice at all, we would just type to each other. And since nobody can communicate (outside of emotes) once they're in game, it was a pretty standard DbD experience for everyone.

So it wouldn't be fair to have one ruleset for solo play and another for SWF just because everyone assumes the SWF is coordinating their every move, because they might not be. And even if they are, the developers can't possibly determine what communication is worth in terms of in-game values to create an entirely new ruleset just for SWF groups.

The only logical thing to do is to give all Survivors the tools SWF groups use, then buff the Killers to help them deal with the stronger teamwork that Survivors will have.

@NoShinyPony said:
My idea for balancing SWF / the gen rush problem:
Depending on whether it's SWF or a random group, the gen time should differ.

• 4 random players: 80 secs per gen (as it currently is)
• 2 SWF + 2 randoms: 83 secs
• 3 SWF + 1 random: 86 secs
• 2 x 2 SWF: 89 secs
• 4 SWF: 92 secs

Those times are a suggestion, but you get the gist. What do you guys think?

hello, u play on ps4 right?

@NoShinyPony said:

@PureHostility said:
You are punishing solo players, who may need these precious seconds to GTFO from this shithole SWF has just created.

I understand that you sometimes get bad games with SWF groups when you play solo surv. But the problems (like getting farmed by other survs, trolls, survs dc'ing) are in general a lot worse with random players, not with SWF.

In an average match as a solo surv, you will have more success if some of the other players are SWF. Therefore I believe my idea is a good one.

An additional point: You can't balance a game under the assumption that - for example - 25% of survs in a match will troll. Trolls don't count for balancing, trolls get banned.

I have to disagree.

As a solo only player, in my whole dbd experience that spans over over 1,8k hours, most unfun games are when SWFs are present in the game. I actually tested by checking the profile of said survivor players to make sure they are indeed a premade, in vast majority of cases they were.
Guess, I will need to go back to archiving my games as stats into exceel.
That type of data would be extremely easy to include.

Use MLGA to block SWF in the mean time

MLGA can tell u whether its a SWF so u can dodge, easy

here is download link

its officially allowed in DBD since the devs said its up to EAC, and EAC confirms its okay and they won't ban people for it

@MandyTalk said:
@Someissues Please stop spreading misinformation. MLGA is not officially allowed in DBD, it has been removed from the whitelist and as I told you in a previous thread, it is USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! If EAC do decide to ban for it in the future then BHVR will not unban you.

You guys the mod said its up to EAC to ban. Which EAC response by saying they will not ban people for it. wouldnt that make it official in this regard, since EAC is the person in charge of the ban and not you guys. Since you guys gave the right to them in this regards

EAC has no intention of banning, i'll make a post about this on reddit and forum once i get their official response this year

This should be bannable anyhow, as people are using this to block and blacklist players for playing good, nurses and such. and yet you guys allow this to happen