Why cypress moris still exist?

It's useful if you like to prevent hatch in general.
It's also useful if you sacrificed on hooks in one zone and the 4th goes down there.
I agree this Offering does pretty little, but not useless.

I've seen some suggestions before that it should be baseline.
Idk about that, but it would go perfectly with the devs' train of thought of: Ending a game that's pretty much over already more quickly.

It lets you kill the last survivor. Period. 
Not when the gens are done, not when the gate is open, or the hatch is open, i mean any time there is one person left.

Still, folding it into Rancor, or base kit would probably be more useful.

Or use it to make survivors paranoid, and disconnect. 

@Peanits said:
Gotta' say, I don't really think cypress is underpowered, the rest are just overpowered. I don't think there's anything in the game that comes anywhere close to changing the balance that much. The second closest would probably be a tombstone Myers or iridescent head. I mean we're literally talking about an offering that instantly takes someone out of the game after just one hook. The equivalent would be an offering/add-on that allows a survivor to instantly escape after completing only one generator, and that's just bananas. I'm all for most ultra rares being nerfed into the ground like BNPs, anti-hemorrhagic syringes and all. It would make the outcome of a match more based on skill and less who brought the biggest guns.

With that said though, I would totally be okay with cypress becoming baseline, but rancor would need something to make it stand out.

I mean, for all intents and purposes, a non-broken key is not far off from that, is it?

And as for Rancor, I wouldn't mind just leaving it as is since being able to kill the Obsession at any point after the gens are powered is still overall more useful during that point of the game than just killing the last Survivor in the trial. If Rancor needed to be changed to accomodate making Cypress Mori base kit, I dunno, what if instead of giving the Killer the ability to insta-kill the Obsession, it let you permanently see the aura of the Obsession once the gates are powered?

DwightsLifeMatters said:

Its one of the most useless offerings together with thickening mist. Imo this offering should be changed so you can mori one person after all gens popped. And it doesn't matter if he got hooked before or not. This would be a great counterplay to "save the best for last" aka the obsession DS survivor 

Rancor? Its a perk that pretty much doea that

Peanits said:

Gotta' say, I don't really think cypress is underpowered, the rest are just overpowered. I don't think there's anything in the game that comes anywhere close to changing the balance that much. The second closest would probably be a tombstone Myers or iridescent head. I mean we're literally talking about an offering that instantly takes someone out of the game after just one hook. The equivalent would be an offering/add-on that allows a survivor to instantly escape after completing only one generator, and that's just bananas. I'm all for most ultra rares being nerfed into the ground like BNPs, anti-hemorrhagic syringes and all. It would make the outcome of a match more based on skill and less who brought the biggest guns.

With that said though, I would totally be okay with cypress becoming baseline, but rancor would need something to make it stand out.

You mean like a key?

Peanits said:

@Tsulan said:
Peanits said:

Gotta' say, I don't really think cypress is underpowered, the rest are just overpowered. I don't think there's anything in the game that comes anywhere close to changing the balance that much. The second closest would probably be a tombstone Myers or iridescent head. I mean we're literally talking about an offering that instantly takes someone out of the game after just one hook. The equivalent would be an offering/add-on that allows a survivor to instantly escape after completing only one generator, and that's just bananas. I'm all for most ultra rares being nerfed into the ground like BNPs, anti-hemorrhagic syringes and all. It would make the outcome of a match more based on skill and less who brought the biggest guns.

With that said though, I would totally be okay with cypress becoming baseline, but rancor would need something to make it stand out.

You mean like a key?

I'm not a fan of those either and I'm totally okay with seeing those go too, but the hatch still has to spawn before that can be used. I ain't picking favourites here, I don't like the ultra rares on either side.

Hatch requires 2 gens to spawn. 2 gens, that can be done in the first 80 seconds. There is no killer who can effectively defend all gens against 4 survivors. Unless, of course they play like potatoes.

Peanits said:

@Tsulan said:
Peanits said:

@Tsulan said:

Peanits said:

Gotta' say, I don't really think cypress is underpowered, the rest are just overpowered. I don't think there's anything in the game that comes anywhere close to changing the balance that much. The second closest would probably be a tombstone Myers or iridescent head. I mean we're literally talking about an offering that instantly takes someone out of the game after just one hook. The equivalent would be an offering/add-on that allows a survivor to instantly escape after completing only one generator, and that's just bananas. I'm all for most ultra rares being nerfed into the ground like BNPs, anti-hemorrhagic syringes and all. It would make the outcome of a match more based on skill and less who brought the biggest guns.

With that said though, I would totally be okay with cypress becoming baseline, but rancor would need something to make it stand out.

You mean like a key?

I'm not a fan of those either and I'm totally okay with seeing those go too, but the hatch still has to spawn before that can be used. I ain't picking favourites here, I don't like the ultra rares on either side.

Hatch requires 2 gens to spawn. 2 gens, that can be done in the first 80 seconds. There is no killer who can effectively defend all gens against 4 survivors. Unless, of course they play like potatoes.

Hatch does not spawn after just two generators. The hatch will only appear after the number of survivors alive + 1 generators have appeared. In order for it to appear with only two generators repaired, there would have to be only one survivor alive, at which point it would already have spawned and opened.

2 dead. Hatch already spawns when 2 are dead. It opens when 1 is left, but that doesn't bother the key.

The whole problem about the hatch is, that it's pure existence halts teamwork. 
Only 2 survivors left but 2 gens done? Let's search the hatch instead of doing gens. 

I would use keys for gates. And remove the hatch. If no other survivors are left. A key spawns in a random chest. Survivor can open the gate normally without completing gens. If the survivor has a higher quality key, he can open it faster.

Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

Tsulan... Hun.

Hatch spawns under these conditions: Three survivors are dead and two gens are finished. The hatch will open.

If no one dies, the hatch only appears once all gens are done and isn't opened. If three survivors have 1 gen, the hatch will spawn, but be closed. If you have two survivors, the hatch will spawn with 2 gens left to be done.

There is nothing else. These are facts. Hard cold BHVR facts.

I know that.

3 can escape if they have a key and 1 died. Rendering endgame perks useless. 

But as I said, if 2 gens have been done and 2 survivors are dead. There is 0 incentive to complete gens. Everyone just searches the hatch and hopes that the killer gets the other guy.

KillerRaccoon said:

Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

Tsulan... Hun.

Hatch spawns under these conditions: Three survivors are dead and two gens are finished. The hatch will open.

If no one dies, the hatch only appears once all gens are done and isn't opened. If three survivors have 1 gen, the hatch will spawn, but be closed. If you have two survivors, the hatch will spawn with 2 gens left to be done.

There is nothing else. These are facts. Hard cold BHVR facts.

That you Luzi, I was about to lose my sh*t on Tsulan but you’ve saved me the trouble.

Did I miss something?

Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

@Tsulan said:
Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

Tsulan... Hun.

Hatch spawns under these conditions: Three survivors are dead and two gens are finished. The hatch will open.

If no one dies, the hatch only appears once all gens are done and isn't opened. If three survivors have 1 gen, the hatch will spawn, but be closed. If you have two survivors, the hatch will spawn with 2 gens left to be done.

There is nothing else. These are facts. Hard cold BHVR facts.

I know that.

3 can escape if they have a key and 1 died. Rendering endgame perks useless. 

But as I said, if 2 gens have been done and 2 survivors are dead. There is 0 incentive to complete gens. Everyone just searches the hatch and hopes that the killer gets the other guy.

Dude, no. THREE survivors need to be DEAD for the hatch to spawn with three gens left.

You are wrong.

The hatch spawns when 2 gens have been done and 2 survivors died. It continues closed until there is only 1 left.

Otherwise we wouldn't have the slug issue to prevent the hatch from opening. 

Please don't ban me for not agreeing with you.

@DocOctober could you confirm please?

Tsulan said:

Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

@Tsulan said:
Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

Tsulan... Hun.

Hatch spawns under these conditions: Three survivors are dead and two gens are finished. The hatch will open.

If no one dies, the hatch only appears once all gens are done and isn't opened. If three survivors have 1 gen, the hatch will spawn, but be closed. If you have two survivors, the hatch will spawn with 2 gens left to be done.

There is nothing else. These are facts. Hard cold BHVR facts.

I know that.

3 can escape if they have a key and 1 died. Rendering endgame perks useless. 

But as I said, if 2 gens have been done and 2 survivors are dead. There is 0 incentive to complete gens. Everyone just searches the hatch and hopes that the killer gets the other guy.

Dude, no. THREE survivors need to be DEAD for the hatch to spawn with three gens left.

You are wrong.

The hatch spawns when 2 gens have been done and 2 survivors died. It continues closed until there is only 1 left.

Otherwise we wouldn't have the slug issue to prevent the hatch from opening. 

Please don't ban me for not agreeing with you.

@DocOctober could you confirm please?

Well the slug issue is here because the hatch spawns after the death of the third survivor.
From gamepedia:
"The Hatch will become visible ("spawn") whenever the number of fully repaired Generators exceeds the number of living Survivors by 1." 

This is my favourite thread ever

That being said, yea moris are trash imo.

There's a few things I think need to go/change

Insta Heals
Iridescent Hatchets
Ebony Moris

They are far too game changing I think and offer each side too much.

OrionsFury4789 said:

Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

@Tsulan said:
Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

@Tsulan said:

Gay Myers (Luzi) said:

Tsulan... Hun.

Hatch spawns under these conditions: Three survivors are dead and two gens are finished. The hatch will open.

If no one dies, the hatch only appears once all gens are done and isn't opened. If three survivors have 1 gen, the hatch will spawn, but be closed. If you have two survivors, the hatch will spawn with 2 gens left to be done.

There is nothing else. These are facts. Hard cold BHVR facts.



I know that.

3 can escape if they have a key and 1 died. Rendering endgame perks useless. 

But as I said, if 2 gens have been done and 2 survivors are dead. There is 0 incentive to complete gens. Everyone just searches the hatch and hopes that the killer gets the other guy.

Dude, no. THREE survivors need to be DEAD for the hatch to spawn with three gens left.

You are wrong.

The hatch spawns when 2 gens have been done and 2 survivors died. It continues closed until there is only 1 left.

Otherwise we wouldn't have the slug issue to prevent the hatch from opening. 

Please don't ban me for not agreeing with you.

@DocOctober could you confirm please?

I give up. Just, just read the wikki.

https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Black_Lock Read it yourself.

Also Pea and I have direct contact to the devs. This is correct information. You are wrong.

If this is the case then the game has been bugged on PS4 the whole time because as @tsulan said I’ve been in matches where two generators were completed and instead of coming for me on the hook the last guy was waiting by the hatch for me to die.

Ok, now I don't know what to believe anymore. Since I could swear that I had several matches where the last survivor instantly got the hatch, even if only 2 gens were done.

That's why I was so adamant about it. Can't check right now.  Maybe it's a bug and no one reported it,  since everyone thinks it's a feature. 

If this is the case then the game has been bugged on PS4 the whole time because as @tsulan said I’ve been in matches where two generators were completed and instead of coming for me on the hook the last guy was waiting by the hatch for me to die.

Got that same many times.

EntityDispleased said:

Cypress should allow you to kill one survivor after they've been hooked twice. They're already on death hook and this offering would save you a hook and it'll be pretty nice for mori rituals. It still sounds useless but it's definitely more useful than the current position it's in.

^ This.

Kebek said:

I'd like to see them getting some kind of small rework. Like after the gates are opened you gain ability to mori any downed survivors without conditions. That would be pretty balanced and would bring out more strategy towards opening doors if there was an unknown offering played before the match.

How about removing the hook requirement and instead make it dependent on the amount of gens that have been completed.
After 3, 4 and 5 gens. Depending on rarity.