Why Legion buff is a problem.
Even tho those perks dont work on him now, he is broken with these new buff. It wont matter if you are injured or not, Legion just has to equip Monitor & Abuse (downs his TR from 24 to 16m) hit you with normal M1 cuz you wont be able to react cuz there wont be any Heartbeat and he'll get first M1 hit for free. Now the killer has the survivor injured and It just takes 2 feral frenzy states to down them, only 1 if he's using Franks Mixtape... With a power that takes no skill to use... He can rely on the "break chase mechanic" as well...
I hope the PTB has shown you how broken these is now.
I said It back then and I'll say It again and again... His power should NOT be lethal, at least 5-6 hits. Buff his base movement speed to 115% or reduce the stun time if you cancel the power manually.
That's balance. With these changes I suggested, Legion would still use his power for crowd control, but thats It. He should rely on mind games and he'd take skill to use, like any other killer.
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The PTB has shown me nothing because noone ever plays it.
Give players an incentive to use the PTB. Whether that's private matches or public.5 -
No, that's not balance.
Kill the legion, got it. You are aware that each succesive feral frenzy hit not only gives you the fatigue rebuff, but simultaneously gives the survivor the hit speed buff?
Nerf Frank's mixtape, as opposed to increasing the base requirement to 5-6 hits and making a very rare add-on pretty much required.
There's a certain point where he can be frustrating to play against, that doesn't mean you make him miserable to play as at the same time.
Let's not go down the Freddy path again.8 -
But just think about it, all he needs is 115% movement speed or a reduced stun when you cancel his power manually and he'd be actually balanced.Cetren said:No, that's not balance.
Kill the legion, got it. You are aware that each succesive feral frenzy hit not only gives you the fatigue rebuff, but simultaneously gives the survivor the hit speed buff?
Nerf Frank's mixtape, as opposed to increasing the base requirement to 5-6 hits and making a very rare add-on pretty much required.
There's a certain point where he can be frustrating to play against, that doesn't mean you make him miserable to play as at the same time.
Let's not go down the Freddy path again.
What Im saying is... If his power is that easy to use, he should only use It for crowd control and getting the first hit, he should not be able to get the down that much easily.
I love to play as The Legion and want him to be a great killer but right now with that buff... He's just not fair.0 -
They shouldn't buff him at all. In no way. Not as long as their is no counterplay to him. Game needs to be fun for both sides, but playing survivor against Legion isn't fun at all. Any buff to Legion will most likely only result into longer killer queue times again. No thank you.
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If you're concerned about balance all they have to do is make it to where he loses a bit of his meter when he misses an attack in frenzy.
And slightly nerf FMT. Instead of considerably decreasing the deep Wound gauge, make it where it moderately, or slightly does so. Or Rework it to speed up the timer slightly, while taking away the additional damage.
Almost like a delay of action. They won't bleed out fast until they're gone.
The in built FMT should stay though, however the add-on should be looked at.
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@AshleyWB said:
The PTB has shown me nothing because noone ever plays it.Give players an incentive to use the PTB. Whether that's private matches or public.
That, basically. Add a couple seconds from the survivor running away, but ultimately they're going to get hit because the killer has almost no cooldown and closes the distance around twice as fast as a normal killer. Even if you manage to vault something, the legion can vault after you. Injuring them in the first place is the only (somewhat) challenge, but you also have an ability that specializes in injuring multiple people. Worst case scenario if you don't want to spread the deep wounds around, you just use two frenzies.
Granted that's with Frank's Mix Tape, but the mix tapes are already running wilder than Hulk Hogan. It's basically built in with this PTB, and using it makes it even easier. I'm not a fan personally.
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Wow, that looks like so much...looks like so much f....yeah I can't say it
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its not even a buff, its just a qol change tbh. we should be more concerned about the broken self care and prove thyself buff. and dont forget the vault buff. enjoy the L walls even more now stupid m1 killers LUL
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I dont think Self-care buff is gonna make it beyond the PTB. Not with the amount of people showing how overpowered It is.Kenshin said:its not even a buff, its just a qol change tbh. we should be more concerned about the broken self care and prove thyself buff. and dont forget the vault buff. enjoy the L walls even more now stupid m1 killers LUL
I honestly dont know what to think about Prove Thyself. I've seen the video where It takes less than 20 seconds to complete a gen but I dont know if the devs will nerf the perk... I personally think that there should not be any perks to increase the speed at which you repair gens.
And about the vault buff... It's great tbh, it'll make fast vaults way more consistent but you'll be eating hits as always if you use the slow vault.
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me chuckles: the first hit free? are you a rank 17 or something, his first hit can be avoided and survivors that are good will look around to try to find the killer if doing a gen or walking around
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If frenzy inflicted you with broken for 30 seconds would that be a good idea? Or will it just make him more annoying and make everyone dc. But who really thinks healing is important against him.0
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Mmm... If you really struggle getting the first hit with him, well... Lets just leave It there, ok? Rank 1 killer btw.ToxicFengM1n said:me chuckles: the first hit free? are you a rank 17 or something, his first hit can be avoided and survivors that are good will look around to try to find the killer if doing a gen or walking around
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What would be the point tho? I mean... When he hits you, you are already 1 hit away from being down.AshleyWB said:If frenzy inflicted you with broken for 30 seconds would that be a good idea? Or will it just make him more annoying and make everyone dc. But who really thinks healing is important against him.0 -
@tt_ivi_99 said:
ToxicFengM1n said:me chuckles: the first hit free? are you a rank 17 or something, his first hit can be avoided and survivors that are good will look around to try to find the killer if doing a gen or walking around
Mmm... If you really struggle getting the first hit with him, well... Lets just leave It there, ok? Rank 1 killer btw.
chuckles again rank 4 killer here and when I play survivor I manage to juke them still
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
I always talked about these when he was released but people never listened. Almost everyone wanted to make his power work with insta downs like NOED, MYC, DH and such, but I knew It was gonna be broken... Now you see why thats a problem?Even tho those perks dont work on him now, he is broken with these new buff. It wont matter if you are injured or not, Legion just has to equip Monitor & Abuse (downs his TR from 24 to 16m) hit you with normal M1 cuz you wont be able to react cuz there wont be any Heartbeat and he'll get first M1 hit for free. Now the killer has the survivor injured and It just takes 2 feral frenzy states to down them, only 1 if he's using Franks Mixtape... With a power that takes no skill to use... He can rely on the "break chase mechanic" as well...
I hope the PTB has shown you how broken these is now.
I said It back then and I'll say It again and again... His power should NOT be lethal, at least 5-6 hits. Buff his base movement speed to 115% or reduce the stun time if you cancel the power manually.
That's balance. With these changes I suggested, Legion would still use his power for crowd control, but thats It. He should rely on mind games and he'd take skill to use, like any other killer.
How can you have an opinion already? adapt to the new killers and learn how to play against them. You cant cry after such a short time that sth is too OP/UP.
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We been asking for 115 speed devs ignored us and 5-6 hits is way to muchtt_ivi_99 said:I always talked about these when he was released but people never listened. Almost everyone wanted to make his power work with insta downs like NOED, MYC, DH and such, but I knew It was gonna be broken... Now you see why thats a problem?
Even tho those perks dont work on him now, he is broken with these new buff. It wont matter if you are injured or not, Legion just has to equip Monitor & Abuse (downs his TR from 24 to 16m) hit you with normal M1 cuz you wont be able to react cuz there wont be any Heartbeat and he'll get first M1 hit for free. Now the killer has the survivor injured and It just takes 2 feral frenzy states to down them, only 1 if he's using Franks Mixtape... With a power that takes no skill to use... He can rely on the "break chase mechanic" as well...
I hope the PTB has shown you how broken these is now.
I said It back then and I'll say It again and again... His power should NOT be lethal, at least 5-6 hits. Buff his base movement speed to 115% or reduce the stun time if you cancel the power manually.
That's balance. With these changes I suggested, Legion would still use his power for crowd control, but thats It. He should rely on mind games and he'd take skill to use, like any other killer.1
