2v8 points out a glaring issue

Your jumping to extremes a bit fast are you not?

Please present one person here on the forums that genuinely enjoys fomo. Im waiting. If you can actually find someone like that, I will tell them: "Im glad that you enjooy the fomo-aspects of dbd. I personally dont like them for … reasons." So yes, I do. Why? Because its a game. Its not that serious. If someone enjoys something about a game, who am I to tell them that they shouldnt. If I see someone enjoying something, I can be happy for them. Simple as that. If I get a bad grade in one of my papers but my friend got a better one, I can be happy for that friend and that most of the time lifts my mood as well.

Have you looked at the event tome? 6 out of the 11 quests can be done without playing the game mode at all. only 5 of them are related to playing 2v8. To get the charms and cosmetics (if there are any) you dont need to play 2v8 that much. I suppose, that OP plays a lot more survivor than killer from their sentiment towards the role. Therefore, they would only have too play 2v8 for 2 quests. These being:

• safely free survivors from cages 4 times.
• play the guide class 1 time.

The second quest is finished in one trial regardless of the outcome of the match. The first one could take a bit more time. However, at a minimum, these quests take 2 matches. Thats not a lot. If there where like 6 or 7 survivor-quests that could only be done via the 2v8 mode then that would be a different story. I dont even know whether or not these twoquests are mandatory mind you. Its possible that one does not have to play the mode at all to get the rewards.

Im sorry, but if somebody just wants to complain about their experience with seemingly little intention to change their perspective, then I dont know what they even want to do here. Let off some steam? That is fine by my terms but not very constructive in creating a discussion. Is there a good discussion here about 2v8? I dont see it thus far. Our discussion has been more productive that the one OP started if I may say so myself.

I don't think killers are overpowered, they are meant to be strong and not something you can evade continually unless you are in the top 1% of players against an average player. It is a 4 v 1 not a 1 v 1 so killers need to be stronger than survivors in a 1 v 1.

That being said, I am not a huge fan of this mode for survivor, as I feel that MMR is off and I am constantly matched with absolutely clueless survivors who don't do gens and who go down instantly.

I don't think the 2 v 8 mode is at all balanced, I feel it is very killer sided with the exception being if the killers are inept and not on comms.

I can see how this event would be a lot of fun for killers, taking the pressure off you as you are no longer the sole killer and you can play with a friend which would be nice. But for me as a survivor main, 400% BP bonuses are still not worth it

It's way easier to escape in 2v8 than 1v4 if the Survivors have some idea of how to play.

Isn't there a free weekend ongoing? It could just be more potatoes joining matchmaking.

I am aware that this is a mode where more than half of the survivors will escape in about 5 minutes at most, unless the survivor abandons the Gen. Were you playing a different game than the 2vs8 mode the topic owner is playing? This mode is a brutal mode that ends prematurely if the survivor is doing more than usual (working on Gen).

I'm actually suprised to not see more slugging, esp. when there are no perks to counter it in 2v8.

Most killers really enjoy going for multiple hooks and chases, thanks to them all!

You say @Valuetown is ‘attacking’ @radiantHero23 but I don’t see that at all. Hero’s comment was dismissive (“if you don’t like it just don’t do it”). Obviously OP knows they don’t have to play 2v8. The statement made by hero comes off as silencing tbh. Not sure why that’s something you’re resisting.

and FYI I’ve seen the slugging too. Not sure why common tactics that work would be exempt from this game mode. FWIW.

I'm not really seeing how your quotes disprove anything I said, in fact they highlight what I'm talking about, so thanks for making my point for me. I said that everyone's opinion on the mode is just as valid as everyone else's, mine included. The only stance I took was saying that slugging does happen and to say that people don't play competitively in this mode is not accurate from what I've seen.

Accelerates does not mean unobtainable. You do get rift fragments via normal matches.

The tome rift fragments are literally unobtainable if you do not do the tome. If you want quick progress to get the cosmetics down the line in the rift, you are incentivized to do the event tome. If you don't, that can lead to FOMO. Either you're averaging 1.5 fragments per match without the tome, or you can get more 50 by doing challenges on top of 1.5 per match. I don't really know what you're not understanding there.

So my initial criticism about a post that DOES dismiss the feelings of OP is somehow spinning a narrative? What?? I would lay off the buzzwords for a while until you actually know what they mean or at least have the integrity to apply them where they are actually applicable.

If you read the entire thread, you'd see that I said my opinion on the mode is no more valid than other people's. 👍️

But our discussion is about something completely different. OP is also not part of it at all. They only wanted to vent, which is fine, but not productive at all.

For a game, the "don't like it, don't do it" argument works pretty well, don't you think? Games are supposed to be fun and if you don't have fun playing 2v8, then don't play it. You can of course criticise and suggest improvements but op didn't really do that. There was no "killers are op because…" or "please change X thing", so it wasn't constructive. It was just a pointless "killers op, game mode trash".

Also, @Valuetown focused on the fact @radiantHero23 didn't mark it as his opinion, which in this context isn't necessary (after all, they said fun is subjective themself, so it's already implied to be a matter of opinion anyway) and not really on the part you find to be dismissive. That's what I responded to.

and FYI I’ve seen the slugging too. Not sure why common tactics that work would be exempt from this game mode. FWIW.

I realise, my choice of words on that part was sub perfect. My apologies. What I meant to say is that I don't think this happens as often as @Valuetown implied.

Of course some people will slug. Some probably will proxy camp and tunnel as well, it's just that I haven't enocuntered that issue as often, so I don't think it's as prevalent. In all my games in this game mode I remember that I was slugged once because someone else was right next to me (and to be fair, it's only natural the killer would slug me there). But nothing more than that, because it's simply not necessary.

I agree with that. We all are just random people who do or don't enjoy the 2v8 with different ideas on how to improve it. Good to know we're on the same page here. 👍️

You may not have intended your statement as such but the impact was that it is dismissive. Multiple people here have perceived it that way, which should tell you maybe, just maybe, your choice of phrasing was dismissive. I’m sure as it’s gonna rain again on this earth that if you were making a critique about something and a random person said “just deal with it,” “just get over it,” or “don’t like it? Just ignore it,” you would feel that they were dismissing your opinion. You definitely wouldn’t just deal.

It depends on the situation and the context.

The irony here is that the same way you came in here and told someone with valid critiques about the game “don’t like it? Don’t play it” is the same way you could have scrolled past this thread. Don’t like it? Don’t read or comment. See how that works?

I very much see how it works. However, if someone calls me out on something, im gonna respond. Also, you see OP´s venting as good critique? Really? So if I say: dh is still waaaaaay too op, should be nerfed immediately!" Thats also valid ciritcism? I dont see that as constructive at all. Sorry.

Also. We are talking about different things. 2v8 is a game mode that only HAS to be played for 5 quests in the tome. 2 of them being related to survivor. Other than that, its completely optional. One does not have to play it. Does that mean its above criticism? No. Nothing is. However, as I literally said before in this very thread, criticism should have something productive to it. Venting is not really productive. Therefore my advice in my first post. OP clearly isnt here to start a constructive disscussion on how to change the game mode. They are proposably here to find an echo chamber for their opinion. If im wrong, I would love to hear it.

Yah, and me tapping a generator every two or so minutes and leaving at the slightest hint of terror radius is a legit strategy to outlive the two others while not breaking the rules. Nothing wrong with that either then, I suppose.

Absolutely. You play the way you want so long as game physically allows you to. Whenever it is fun to any side is a subject to debate but then the concept of fun is also purely subjective and has no universal meaning.

We are talking about a game. If you don't like the 2v8 mode, then don't play it. That was what @radiantHero23 said and I agree with that.

Neither I, nor @radiantHero23 have said that you shouldn't voice your opinion on the game mode. What I did say however is, that @Valuetown either misunderstood his post by saying he made it sound like facts or they tried to make him look bad because they disagree. One of these 2 cases is definitely true and judging by their response, it's probably the first one.

I don't understand where you take the silencing thing from. Voicing your opinion is totally fine but other people can and will disagree. I have also told multiple people that obviously were upset over the game to take a break because sometimes you need to hear it from someone else. This has nothing to do with silencing though. It's someone else reminding you, that it's just a game and that the reason you play it is to have fun, not to be frustrated.

There is a difference in voicing critique and playing the game. You can do either without doing the other. OP probably wanted to vent more than anything else (considering they haven't responded to any posts here). If that is indeed the case, then what is wrong about doing that and taking a break from the game or game mode? You can still give your opinion but it can't hurt to take a break if you don't enjoy playing.

The whole silencing argument might work, if op had actually explained what was in their opinion wrong with the game mode but they didn't really do that. I take it they have an issue with some killers slugging but what does that have to do with killers being overpowered? And how does "2 killers overpowered ⇒ 1 killer overpowered" work? It could be 2 tier 1 Myers with a 32 metres TR and the killers would still have the upper hand against 1 survivor. But against 8, that is a different story. If anything the balance swings wildly depending on who has the better loadout (classes and killers) and who is better coordinated (similar to the normal game just way more extreme, given that 60% kill rates are BHVR's idea of balance).

How is it an awful mode for survivors? The regular mode also has limited play options for survivors. The only thing you can't do in 2v8 is flashlight saves, but the class system is a fun change up.

There's a lot more going on and you have far more options than the regular mode. I don't see how anyone can enjoy the regular game and not at least have some fun for a couple weeks with 2v8 unless you're a super sweaty tryhard who only wants every mach to be as competitive as possible.

More killers and maps would be nice, but that's really all that needs to change. Maybe another survivor class or two.

You did. You implied, that I told op to "go away" or that their or that their opinion isnt worth anything.

Is an implication a direct statement? I’m asking because you implied something earlier and I want to make sure your standards apply to us both. As for your second comment, no, I’m not. I’m also not using OP’s point as a sudden smokescreen to distract from being called out for what I am doing. On topic, I mentioned that I personally disagree with OP’s take on balance here but it’s not my right to tell them they can’t express that. If I were interested in directly engaging them on it, I would have. I got distracted when I saw you and your defender dogpiling Valuetown.

If it wasnt your intention, then why do you mention it at all. I never told op, or anybody else for that matter, that their opinion or their post was invalid or that they had no right to make their opinion heard. I think I stated that enough at this point. Quite the opposite. I try to encourage people here on the forums to make their opinions heard and love to engage in constructive discussions. You might have missed that. If it has nothing to do with the argument, then please dont imply it. It just comes off as you trying to accuse me of something that I never did.

This whole thing started because @Valuetown called me out on something, in a rather rude way I might add. I reacted calmy to their agrument and tried to reason with them. This has seemingly been an misunderstanding that has been resolved at this point. At least I hope so.

Your the one continuing this debate for whatever reason.

And the other glaring issue is this: the killers can only chase two survivors and if the others priorities gens only a little, the big metal boxes will fly like it's noones business. Heck, I have seen 5 finishing in rapid progression. And well, of the killer gets stuck in a prolonged chase, that's a more brutal GGEZ then in the main game.

It's actually the same as with the base game: that side with more gaming sense and fewer mistakes/missplays usually wins.

Killer working together can obviously down ANY survivor in a matter of seconds, but that leaves 7 unattended. It's only the turned off MMR that shoves utter potatoes into everyone's matches, that allows the big snowball for killers. I have had a couple of legit 23 hooks at 6 gens, but also so so many more escapes than in he base game. You can so often just sit on a gen for 90-skill checks seconds and just finish it uninterrupted, and that is only (barely) held in check but COMPLETELY omitting travel time and hooking from the equation.

Read my posts again. I did not attack anyone. I clarified that someone made a fuss over nothing. These are 2 very different things. OP#s opinion also hasn't been up for debate initially. The only reason we are talking about that is because you accused me of trying to silence someone, which I did not. This goes against my core believes.

By the way you accuse me here, it seems more like you are attacking me than anything else. I interjected because someone completely misunerstood a post and went on a little rant over it (maybe "rant" is a bit strong but you get my point). That part is correct and I will not apologise for it. It is as much my right to do so as it is yours and you used yours to interjected in an exchange that did not concern you either.

Ironically you are the one who keeps this whole drama up, when @Valuetown read my post, gave their thoughts about it and we came to an understanding. How is that contributing anything relevant to OP's topic? Or is it only irrelevant if someone else does it? All of this could have ended with their comment to my post and my response.

I can tell, that you are unable to look at this situation rationally, so I'll do us both a favor and end this conversation here.