Quick-Switching

Personally i think that once survivors are in the lobby, they should only be able to change appearance and offerings. That would speed up lobby times for sure.

Of course we should decide who we play against! There's no abuse avoiding a game that you know is going to be hell for you.
Last min swaps is abuse IMHO. It's cowardly.
IF you want to bring in a lightsaber then do it. I'll equip FD and let's go for it. That's a fair battle. Even all 4.

If one guy does this, I make sure he gets 4K max. Don't care.

@Peanits said:

@ObscuredbyFog said:
What about this.. as survivors you have 30 seconds in the lobby to change survivor, items, or add ons. After 30 seconds this gives time to change offerings and customization but removes sudden death flashlight or BNP team. And the killer still has time to react.

I would agree, but dodging would have to be addressed as well. The reason people feel the need to do so is because they'd get dodged if they didn't. I don't think anyone should be picking and choosing who they go up against. All that accomplishes is abusing the matchmaking system to artificially raise your rank higher than it should be, making those types of matches all the more common.

Easy then. Lock in Survivors from switching at the 30 second mark, but also lock in the Killer at the 30 second mark from dodging, or he incurs a massive 5 minute penalty. This way he cannot dodge, but he may change his build in accordance to any last second switches.

@Peanits said:
On one hand, I don't like that people can do it and potentially prevent you from using something like Lightborn to counter flashlights or Hangman's Trick to counter toolboxes. But on the other hand, I know that the reason why they're doing that in the first place is because they're going to get dodged if they don't. So I guess the fairest compromise would be to automatically take off items when switching survivors, but also penalize people for dodging. That way nobody's cheesing the system.

I really don't even see this as equivalent. Lobby dodging affects WAY more people than just the toxic SWF flashlight Squadettes...

There are times I spend over 15 minutes in and out of lobbies! It is SO sad that the devs isn't doing anything to address this.

@AlexAnarchy said:

@Visionmaker said:

@Peanits said:
On one hand, I don't like that people can do it and potentially prevent you from using something like Lightborn to counter flashlights or Hangman's Trick to counter toolboxes. But on the other hand, I know that the reason why they're doing that in the first place is because they're going to get dodged if they don't. So I guess the fairest compromise would be to automatically take off items when switching survivors, but also penalize people for dodging. That way nobody's cheesing the system.

I really don't even see this as equivalent. Lobby dodging affects WAY more people than just the toxic SWF flashlight Squadettes...

There are times I spend over 15 minutes in and out of lobbies! It is SO sad that the devs isn't doing anything to address this.

Basically put, When killer can actually feel like killers without using Billy or nurse only, then you'll see less dodging, but until then any form of punishment is likely not gonna stop dodging.

??? Lobby dodging to change killers? What are you getting at? I don't play at high rank.

An exponentially increasing increment for lobbymaking would be more than enough deterrent to prevent lobbymakers from dodging... At least I would be able sit in matchmaking and do something afk before settling in a lobby rather than reset queue every couple minutes.

@AsianMammoth said:

@Visionmaker said:

@boogiewoogie said:
Forcing killers to play games would only reduce the killer count or induce more DC's at start.
Survivors need to realise their "fun game" and YouTube highlight reel isn't another persons fun game. It's really that simple and the devs are fully aware

How is lobby dodging and "fun game" (I'm going to assume you mean bullying survivors) related?

How do you know they're going to bully you/troll? Because they load in at the same time? Because they're dressed the same? Items? Names? Weird outfits?

Full bloody outfit, flashlight, if multiple players joined at the same time, or a name such as "Looped Till Daylight"... Or maybe we just played against that player before.
I lose nothing for dodging a potentially unfun and stressful game. So why not? Blame the toxic people in the community for making me this paranoid.

I probably should've mentioned, but no one wears prestige or uses flashlights. One person max has an item, by choice. We all main different characters or switch off to do dailies. No one has a weird name.

The only thing I can be accused of is wearing Nea's DLC skins because I wanted to support the game and make Nea look snazzy. And playing with friends, which seems counter-intuitive.

Honestly I would not mind if dodging killers would temporarily put dodged survivors on blacklists for two or three searches either, if it doesn't do it already.

I do think it would be productive to have a "Avoid Player" and Commend option just like Overwatch has.

@boogiewoogie said:

@Visionmaker said:

@boogiewoogie said:
Forcing killers to play games would only reduce the killer count or induce more DC's at start.
Survivors need to realise their "fun game" and YouTube highlight reel isn't another persons fun game. It's really that simple and the devs are fully aware

How is lobby dodging and "fun game" (I'm going to assume you mean bullying survivors) related?

How do you know they're going to bully you/troll? Because they load in at the same time? Because they're dressed the same? Items? Names? Weird outfits?

Like honestly, I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but it feels like walking on egg shells and tiptoeing between landmines to find a damn match sometimes. There needs to be a yelp or commendment system for survivors, because 95% of the games I play are perfectly fine.

I agree with you and feel your pain. I play survivor for relaxing fun, never toxic, don't use DS and I'm hopeless with a flashlight. Still get dodge lobby on/off
But, this discussion was based on last min swap out's. I can 99.99% say that game will be hell if they get their way. So when a killer even get's a whiff of it they are out of there. It's just not worth it.

It seems simple enough to fix. IMO, both should be looked at ASAP.

Regular players shouldn't have to suffer from crap queues, and lobbymakers shouldn't have to deal with BS or toxic/frequently reported players. I really want to push for a reputation system.

@AsianMammoth said:

@Visionmaker said:
Regular players shouldn't have to suffer from crap queues, and lobbymakers shouldn't have to deal with BS or toxic/frequently reported players. I really want to push for a reputation system.

I agree. But sadly things are the way they are because devs didn't take care of their game correctly.

I think part of the problem is that we don't know if there's any action being taken on players we report. Beyond directly speaking to a moderator/BHVR representative, we have no evidence that efforts to flag abuse/cheating/exploitation actually does anything. The lack of confidence in the system feeds into player negativity and cynicism, and further reduces use of the report system. This also gives everyone confidence that they can say and do whatever they want without repercussion. By the time anyone steps in to correct the behavior, it might've gone too far.

I don't entirely blame BHVR because it's a small organization compared to a highly competitive playerbase, but you'd think there would be a bit more communication and focus on it. Toxicity is at the forefront of complaints right next to imbalance, after all...