Pig and Legion: Unnecessary nerfage.

Honestly, i wanted to main legion, before the rework i realized how unfun they could be to go against, then i decided to main piggy cuz she seemed fun to play as and against, then she got gutted so hard, after legion got "reworked" i was like oh i guess i can main legion now but they're also weak, even weaker than piggy. and tbh i still don't like going against legion even now.

#JusticeforSusie

thanks, i'll consider that

Hope is lost for legion sadly, BHVR won't revisit him anytime soon and all the complaints and threads won't make him be on their priority list, killers are the minority and from a buisness stand point would you rather please the majority or the minority of your costumers.

Bhvr has already give 2 comments to the Legion situation.

Comment 1# was mainly just copy&paste the patch notes and some sweet words around it, as would Legion mains not have read the patch notes or understand them.

The problem is; -we have understand them -_-... And thats why nobody was ok with that comment.

Comment 2# had more a individual writing style and mainly they said, that the Legion is not on their map for the moment.

That's ok, but hopefully they don't forget us. At least that should be really hard by all those threads.

Suicidefox did a good job at explaining why the Legion nerf was needed. There was no counterplay to them, they had the ability to cheese chase mechanics and they disregarded pallets and windows, which are survivors only way to get distance between themselves and the killers.

Pig was nerfed because of EGC and it's kinda understandable why they did it. Note that I'm a Pig main and wasn't that frustrated with the changes cause I never did Endgame Pig. I can't remember who but one of the devs stated once that the RBT was never meant for the endgame but was meant for as a way to slow the game down, so with this change they encouraged the playstyle they originally envisioned.

I've always seen endgame Pig as kinda cheesy, NOED + put traps on a survivor and now you can tunnel them knowing the only way they can escape is if they get hatch. But I'd love if she could get some kind of buff on other aspects or make traps less RNG dependant. It sucks to put a trap on a survivor and they get it off on their first try.

I don't agree that Amanda didn't need to be touched at all. I may strongly disagree with how they went about it, but I do understand why they changed her for the EGC. My issue isn't that she was changed to account for the EGC; it's that her change ended up being an unreasonably heavy-handed nerf with nothing to make up for it.

Oh, and #JusticeForAmanda

I don't know about the pig, I just don't search about her.

Legion needed a fix, not a nerf. His power didn't work as intended, it was supposed to be a power that let's you hit multiple survivors and not a power that was godlike at tunneling. Did he need nerfs?No.Why?Because the ability was really bad at chaining hits and it still is now tbh. The "you lose your power when you miss a hit" was a "fix" NOT because if he failed a hit he could hit right again, but because that if you were constantly swinging while in FF you would reach a bigger distance. I called it a "fix" and not a fix because it was something that the devs did to him because they didn't have any ideas at the moment, so it was a nerf called "fix". This was simply too harsh.

Moonwalk exploit: Souldn't be terror radius based but, instead, a range based mechanic. Again, quick changes with no purpose.

Reduced vault speed because he would be unloopable while in feral frenzy. This is wrong in all the ways possible. Because his vaults had counterplay, because the deep wounds bar reduced by attacks in feral frenzy was simply gutted and removed, and because it is sluggish and very bad to use.

Add-ons-> Nerfed so badly for no reason at all.

Why does Legion need a full Feral Frenzy bar to activate it?

4 seconds cooldown? Even worse than Nurse that can simply ignore pallets and vaults too. Oh! And freaking WALLS.

There's even a lot more to talk about that was unnecessary and the devs didn't explain why they did it. That's why we want answers.

Next thing we know, her crouching does not suppress her terror radius anymore and just makes her a little more stealthy, and she gets only 2 traps now.

When the traps trigger, instead of killing you, they give Deep Wounds.

Thanks for your response. On a answer like yours now, I (and maybe also others) have waited for.

I guess, nobody assumes, that changes to the Legion, or the Pig can happen from one day to another, but the communication... The knoweldge that we are not getting ignored are important imo and that's why I am thankful for your answer.

When the time has come for the Legion, please throw as first that stupid missing hit stun out. To make it short, -drawbacks are no fun at all and a change like that would also not destroy the balance of the Legion, I believe.

@Peanits

nah, legion is boring to play anyways.

Legion needs another update not rework

Can you at least briefly clarify what the deal is with regarding the recently changed interaction between Save the Best For Last and the Pig's Ambush attack? Intentional? Bug?

I'm kinda disappointed that it seems like the devs were like, "the players are using the Killer's ability differently than we expected,,,, WE MUST NERF!!!". Legion honestly used to be fun to play against when he was first released. They were a genuinely scary killer to play against and I felt accomplished whenever I survived a match against them. It's disappointing to me that devs are making some Killers useless because of genuine player strategies that the devs didn't consider when making the chatacter. Having Killers that could be played in a few different strategies added diversity and uniqueness to each match played. Not to mention, it's equally disappointing and frustrating seeing, for example, players who played an end-game based Piggy get punished and nerfed when camping is still an issue that literally has no counter play and nothing major is ever done to fix that.

The thing about the Pig change to the RBTs during EGC was very warranted. Even now if you get a trap on your head before the 5th gen pops you're donezo if anyone else opens the gate. You can't realistically get a trap off your head with 4+ boxes AND the exit gates(which by that point you've likely forgotten where they were because you are on two separate time crunches) without dying to either the EGC or the trap. I've had it happen to me at least twice now, having a trap on my head right before the 5th gen popped. Now imagine that this happened AFTER the 5th gen. Also for those of you who say that traps no longer pop when you go through the exit gates, they DO. You just have to have the trap ACTIVATED, meaning put it on before all of the gens are done. It's LITERALLY LUCK that decides whether you live or die if you get a trap on your head right before the 5th gen pops. Nothing else, unless someone 99s the gates and no one else opens one. You can possibly find the hatch, but that also requires those survivors to leave while you have a trap on your head, and that doesn't always happen either. People who want this back are just asking for even easier kills. If you want to screw over survivors that badly, do it right before the 5th gen pops, and then they're screwed. You're welcome, you have your end game pig.

#JusticeforAmanda