The Demogorgon is Disrupting the Meta, not being Overpowered.
We all know that Demogorgon is gonna be nerfed upon its release. They did it with Plauge and the Ghostface, so why not Demogorgon? There's alot of talk between whether Demogorgon is Overpowered, underpowered, or it's in a good spot for both downsides and rewards for good play.
The Demogorgon is being made to where its supposed to disrupt the current meta, not being OP, and this is why.
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The Demogorgon's portals, if placed in good spots, can remove the need for the perk, "Barbecue and Chili", and possibly, "Whispers". The perk "Whispers" is a reliable perk to count on whenever its the beginning of the game, and both the killer and survivors are trying to get the game going. Now, Portals aren't the best for the beginning of the game as they don't start placed out for you, so "Whispers" is still reliable to use, but if portals are placed near generators and your too far away to be in Whispers range, you can see if the survivors are near that generator. Now, it doesn't completely remove the need for "Whispers", it just mildly lessens it's ability to track upon long distances.
"Barbecue and Chili", however, is currently the best tracking perk in the game for killers as it allows the killer to practically see every survivor in the game that's farther than 40 meters from the hooked survivor for 4 seconds. Now, if the Demogorgon's Portals have not been destroyed, and they are placed near Generators, they can instantly give away their position to the killer, putting them in a terrible position. Now, I'm not saying that "Barbecue and Chili" and "Whispers" are worthless to killers now, I'm just giving you the more risky, and a bit less effective alternatives to hopefully save a perk alot for you so you can get more use out of other perks instead of the same, regular build you've been using for 4 weeks or longer.
These are mainly suggestions and do not obstruct your ability to play the game. I don't make the meta, only the community does.
But in all honesty, we need a buff to the perk, "MindBreaker".
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ghostface was actually buffed no?
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Increased detection radius to 8% from 4%
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Demogorgon is getting a nerf, but for good reason; his shred attack, if spammed, was faster than walking. So far this is the only nerf I've heard.
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I don't think Demogorgon is OP
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Even then its barely a nerf.
The shred recovery after using it is being increased by 0.25 seconds.
A quarter of a second. 2 second ptb 2.25 live.
It'll be really hard to notice a change that small.
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0.25 is a lot more than you think, especially in a chase.
Not saying don't nerf, just saying a lot of people don't seem to recognize how close chases can be sometimes.
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Poor excuse from the devs. Billy, Spirit, Nurse all are able to traverse the map alot quicker with their power, than they are by just walking. I dont see a problem with Demogorgon being able to do the same.
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Because they are meant to traverse with their power. Demogorgon isn't, at least not with shred; his mobility is designed to move across the map quickly via his portals, not endlessly shredding.
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Demo is actually pretty balanced though.
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Did you forget for a second that he can use his portals to traverse across the map?
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you absolute madlad
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I think the Demogorgon just needs a little nerf and that's just a cool down with his lunge attack (maybe slower movement speed), but other then that he should be perfect.
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His portals can get him anywhere on the map in 3 seconds if he sets up 5 well and keeps 1 to place when needed.
They can't be destroyed until used also. The portals will be really good for mobility/control.
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Why would they nerf Demo?
He's in a good spot right now.
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The Demogorgon isn't disrupting anything. He looks like he will be a solid mid tier killer by himself but his perks as they where on the PTB are not going to make any impact. Nobody will bother using them in the long run if they stay the same.
Yes he does not need BBQ. Many killers don't. They just use it because its convenient and can double your BP to alleviate the grind. So expect to see a lot of Demogorgons use it until they can get more usefull perks.
Sadly the best build I can think for the Demogorgon is just Hex: Ruin, Pop Goes the Weasel, Enduring and Spirit Fury. Plus the Red Moss add-on for maximum pallet disrespect (wich should really be basekit honnestly). Not exactly what I'd call shaking the Meta.
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Agree with buff for mindbreaker. The exhaustion effect shloud stay for 5 seconds, 3 is not long enough, because you can throw a pallet, t-bag for 3 seconds and sprint burst away.
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Not a single time since it released did I ever choose BBQC for it's 4 seconds of vision. I have always chose it and still do for the 100% bonus BP. It will remain that way until I have all perks t3 for all killers.
Frankly, it's a lame perk. The bonus xp should be given based on the number of SWF in match so one shouldn't feel forced to always use it.
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Every killer says they don't use BBQ for Aura Reading (even Billies, lol) but BBQ helps you in a lot more ways than you think, even if you downplay it.
It's frankly disgusting how dishonest killers are about this.
And yet when anyone suggests nerfing the Aura Reading on BBQ none of the killers are open to that idea.
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cd was nerfed to 30 second from 20 sec , and you cant stalk marked person , those 2 nerfs were bigger than buffs
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No, it really doesn't. I don't need to see an aura to know where a survivor is. I don't camp so whether they are 40 or 400 yards doesn't make a difference.
That's if I even bother to take the time to look around after hooking instead of heading the route I had already laid out.
You don't know me nor other killers, so to make accusations about people being dishonest makes you an ignorant person.
Sans the BP bonus I'd take Discordance any day of the week. Sans the BP bonus I'd take Whispers any day of the week. Sans the BP bonus I'd take Spies from the Shadows any day of the week. Etc, etc.
As a matter of fact it should be obvious that the reason it has both BP bonus and the aura is because without the BP bonus the perk would be underpowered garbage. Without the aura, killers would still use BBQC at great detriment to their competitiveness just for the BP.
I absolutely hate having to give up a meaningful perk for it but I can not justify playing a match and receiving half of what I could have.
No one wants nerfs to it because just the same as Beast of Prey, Thrill of the Hunt, and Distressing, if it had no side effect it would be nothing more than a glorified offering and that while efficient for farming BP is dull in terms of gameplay.
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That is only one of them
Nerfed some of his add-ons too
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So you have either never run WGLF as survivor or you actually like it in its current state.
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You only need an Object of Obsession in your team and he is a M1 killer.
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To bad his shred is getting nerfed as if he isn't a mediocre enough killer lol
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They increase time between lunge from 2 to 2.25. It cause it was faster to lunge across the map then regular walking and they didn't want that that's it
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Made survivors able to "lulz think again" him out of his laughable stealth mode from behind walls. Loser Face™, when put against GOOD survivors, gets uncorked and rekt like the M1 killer he is.
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I can assume that they're only gonna touch the recovery of the missed lunge. Otherwise he is balanced.
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It would translate to a little under one meter. I would never say that anything is insignificant in a chase, since a split second could make the difference between getting a hit or not, but I'm willing to bet that if you weren't going to hit them at 2 seconds, the amount of scenarios where the extra quarter second would make a difference between getting a hit a very slim.
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If his getting a nerf than he is switching from average killer to weak
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The enduring+spirit fury combo doesnt really need to be here, due to his shred allowing him to get hits on larger "safe" loops.
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That's equivalent to 1m of a survivor running in a direction. It's rather quite small.
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None of the killers are open to that idea because survivors have many ways to avoid the aura reading. Hiding in lockers, hiding behind gens, misdirection, closing the 40 meter distance before a hook, distortion, etc. It's only semi-useful already. Nerfing it because of survivors like you would be overkill, and unfair.
And you call killers dishonest? Whoa boy; that's some thick hypocrisy.
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NGL i just don't want them to nerf his BP gain from his shred attack.
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