What happened to "closing the gap between solos and swf"?

Might be impossible but that is not the point. The forum is filled with threads of killers wanting either buffs against swf or penalties for swf. You'll see some solo survivor mains asking for features to close the gap - but I have watched those requests come and go for almost two years and the gap just keeps getting wider with almost every update.

Kindred as part of base kit idea, for example - that met with a lot of opposition from killers in forum.

A common sentiment but not based on reality. You cannot buff solo survivors to the point of verbal communication and coordination. Closest they could do would to give survivor infinite distance bond but you will still be missing out on callouts and planned action.

But lets say you could. What could be done to buff killers to deal with the increased coordination? Not all solos would be able to completely benefit from the buff. There is still some skill involved. Any buffs given to the killer could potentially steamroll groups of solos.

For a game balanced around the survivors not knowing what their teammates are doing, allowing players to queue together was opening Pandora's box. Whats done is done and there's no undoing it.

The main issue with trying to do this is how people play the game. Swf and solo are two different sets of survivors.

Swf have a goal not just to escape but to get thier friends out with them. They are a team of friends working together with a common goal and due to comms they can actively advise and coordinate who does what.

Solo are not a team they are a set of players who each have a goal to escape and help others if they so please and in the end helping the others helps themselves be it more chance to escape or points. Others making it out the match doesn't impact a solo player.

Solo players can never say I'm close to the hook and my gen is almost done I'll get them and solo seeing that won't change anything as they don't know the gen time. It's why you will see many solo players rushing a hook compared to a coordinated swf especially before end game.

Seeing won't change what people are out to get from the game.

Hook for one saves then would need more info to bring it up to swf level. Seeing all other survivors, someone flagging themselves for the hook save stating going now or after gen is done, gen progression of the flagged player, More info if they find the killer patrolling or camping etc. There is a lot more to it that make swf strong than just seeing where the killer or others are.

So where does it stop with the information? Imo due to this solo can never truly be brought up the level of a good coordinated swf unless anything and everything is shown to them.

Yeah, I can't be too sure on what's holding them up. Some people lack the foresight to realize small buffs to information solos can get (that SWF already gets) isn't that much of an issue. Like there's ways to rework Kindred to reflect what the hooked survivor sees, so-to-speak. You could also make commands to notify people on what you're doing or what landmark you're by. On top of that, the suggestion comes with buffing killers, too, but some overlook that. I'm wondering if those people are influencing their choices.

Not true, the entire point is the have all 3 of them be equal in power and the difference between SWF and Solo logistically cannot be closed without buffing Solo's.

Chase indicators and totem counter for killers as well, and a hook / stage counter too, please.

More definitely can be done and needs to be done to close the gap. My biggest want right now is for a chase indicator for every survivor. This is vital information that swf gets that was immensely help solos.

This is honestly one of the most important balance concerns, and it seems to be completely ignored unfortunately. They shouldn't be nerfing any killers until something is done to close the gap between solo and swf. The resources for the nurse nerf should have been spent buffing solo survivors and one of the weakest killers.

Those ones

It's not about the difficulty, it's about the disparity between solo and swf. Just like the gap between strong killers and weak killers needs to be fixed.

Yeah, no clue what the deal is here. @Peanits reaffirmed here that the Kindred base kit change wouldn't be happening, which makes no sense since that's one of the most straightforward ways to give survivors a helpful communication tool.

I also still think some level of "See nearby survivors' auras" should be base, with Bond extending that range.

On some mechanics, @Peanits said earlier in this thread: "A group on voice chat could communicate this info anyway (e.g. he's camping being the hook waiting to stalk you, be careful), so it only serves to bring solo players closer to the same level."

Seeing nearby survivor auras, or having the Kindred effect when a survivor is on the hook, falls into this same bucket. No clue why they don't add more of this into the game.

That's very vague.

Can you provide some sort of example scenario?

That could be due to a big factor in DBD is still not knowing.

Kindred being base would help versus on start camping. While a 4 man SWF know it's happening they are the smallest portion of players. Any match with a 3 man leaves 1 player in doubt and a 2 man with w players in doubt.

It also wouldn't change what people chose to do in that scenario compared to swf who can communicate a decision. The killer goes out of kindred range an swf still could see where they are or one goes in close to see them patrolling. So whats next after kindred we just show the killers location when someone is on the hook?

Where does the info needed stop? Perks activated? People in a chase? Pallets used? Totems done? How much could this change the game from not knowing to going through the motions as we now know what to expect. It does have the potential to make the game extremely mundane.

Part of not knowing is who you are playing versus on both sides 4 man, 3 man, 2 man, solo's as each play quite differently.

If I had to put money on it it'll be next year if ever when Solo and in turn Killers get buffed to help balance SWF.