What is being toxic? Community brainstorm

As a survivor:

I think it's toxic if I am hiding in a spot and another surv comes and block me for a whole minute (or more) just to move their camera (I see it whit his head movement) or t-bagging.

When the killer's block you (it's an easy hit so why not?) but instead of hitting you. He just stand there for the whole match and ruin your experience.

Tunneling is a hard topic because I see two ways of tunneling. If one survivor unhook me without BT and the killer hooks me again then it's the survivor fault (even if it ruins my experience). The other way that I think it's wrong is if I just pick a certain survivor and the killer just focus in you, just because you use it (without t-bagging or quick clicking the flashlight). As an example I played a lot with Claudette recently just for leveling her and obtain Selfcare as a teachable. A lot of killers think I am playing in "easy mode" and ignores every other survivor just to focus on me.

Camping. Well as a killer I think it's a bad strategy and ruins completely the experience for a survivor.

As a killer (I think the killer experience is worst by the toxicity and that's why we see more killer complains):

T-bag: Why do you need to tease me? (That's why I think devs should do something about infinites, the game design was intended to use pallets as a distraction or for avoiding a hit, not for running in circles, specially because the majority of killers are not made to face those loops, M1 killers suffer a lot about them)

Bodyblock: I don't see an issue if I am going to hook someone but there are certain times where a survivor drop a pallet and you can't destroy it because there is a survivor behind you.

Let me explain, for destroying a pallet the killer's model go slightly behind but that can't happen when there is a survivor blocking the killer's model (models can't be overlapped).

Rapid clicking with flashlights: I mean it's used just to tease and even if you tell me "ok, but that means the flashlight is being depleted" that doesn't mean it doesn't still bother

Flashlight saves: I don't really see issues with it because it's a game feature but What happens when even if you turn you can't avoid being blinded because there are two people trying to blind you and they can still blind you from the side?

Also flashlights should be reworked. Why If a killer is not seeing the flashlight it can still be blinded by it?

If the killer is looking not directly to the flashlight but it happens that the flashlight beam is big enough to catch their eyes, even at his side, the flashlight will blind the killer.

In real life a flashlight can only blind you if it catch your eyes in front of you.

Toxic is not getting your way because everyone else is toxic

Toxicity in Dbd boils down to 3 things to me on each side, As Survivor: spamming flashlights, body blocking people and excessive t-bagging. As Killer: Face camping, slugging until bleed out, and excessive tunneling.

I define toxicity as in "You're a toxic player if you envy or if you are in disbelief that you got outplayed or outspoken for your own benefit or enjoyment to bring down your opposite, your opponent".

I can put up with busted perk synergies, instaheals, etc., to a point, but I get pretty tilted when I run into a SWF that also runs OoO and plays a map offering. Like, it's not enough for them to have comms apparently. It's just blatantly disregarding the other side's enjoyment so they can play the easiest possible version of the game. I hadn't played Spirit in months until last night. Two Ghostface games in a row against OoO. A Hag game against 3 flashlights and OoO. A Clown game on Ironworks. Just frustrating.

Actually being "toxic" as a person in some way, not just playing in an unpopular way or using stuff people dislike.

Even stuff like hard camping or tbagging/other "chase me!" behavior can be tactically sound decisions. If you know the survivors will go for the save no matter what or you know that keeping the killer on you gives the survivors a better chance of winning overall, they're perfectly reasonable things to do. Just like running crazy strong stuff like ebony mori omegablink nurse or turbo "tryhard" 4man SWF with 4 instaheals isn't inherently toxic in any way, it's just using stuff that's in the game and not against the rules.

But if your actual motivation for playing how you play is the very idea of making others angry or upset, then you're genuinely toxic. And there's a weird amount of people that seem borderline or blatantly proud about explicitly "playing for salt" - no matter what or how they play, those are the toxic ones.

First I want to say that it's not toxic using certain perks and add-ons (this includes items on the survivor side). I see a lot of complaining about killers using NOED, when it's completely countable. Just cleanse the five totems and you're good. There's a lot of OP perks and it's your job to know how to counter them.

When playing survivor:

Facecamping and tunneling only one or two survivors - Facecamping in general is a strat (not very effective if the survivors know what they are doing). If the killer facecamps a survivor, then the other survivors should just do gens and get out. The killer will lose the game for only chasing and hooking one survivor. It's not fun for the hooked survivor, but they can help by staying on the hook and not kill themselves or DC.

Tunneling - this is also a strat and again not a very good one. But when ONE survivors gets tunneled whole game, then it's just toxic. Finding a survivor who just got unhooked is not tunneling. If the teammate made an unsafe unhook, then it's their fault. The killer will obviously not give you a free escape just because your teammate did a bad move.

Body blocking - When a killer body blocks a survivor for a good part of the game, then it's toxic. Body blocking can be used as killer to get a hit or if you're Billy or Bubba, get a free down. That's fine by me. But body blocking the whole game is actually mocking the survivor that you caught them and that's toxic.

Spam mori - When the killer has a mori and spam the charge timer is toxic. Just kill the survivor instead of mocking them. BUT I would say doing it a few times to punish a survivor for being toxic is fine by me.

When playing killer:

T-bagging - Let's start with the most popular. A survivor t-bagging after stunning a killer, if the killer missed their attack or at the exit gates it's mocking and toxic. T-bagging when the killer gets DS'ed is also mocking and therefore toxic. T-bagging can be used as a strat to get the killer to follow the survivor in order to save another survivor and therefore fine by me.

Body blocking - If the survivor body blocks a killer so they can't break pallets, that's toxic. Body blocking fellow survivors is also considered toxic IF it was on purpose. Body blocking can happen by accident.

Spamming flashlights - When the survivor spams the flashlight at killers, it's considered mockery and therefore toxic. Again this can be used as a strat to get the killer to follow the survivor in order to save teammates.

In general:

Toxic behavior is when a player play a certain way just to annoy other players. Mocking them in game harassing and cursing at each other in chat post game is all highly toxic behavior.

It's NOT toxic when:

A survivor flashlight saves another survivor.

A killer facecamps end-game to secure a kill.

Killer tunnels a survivor end-game to get a kill.

A killer tunneling/facecamp a survivor who's being toxic (they had it coming)

A survivor t-bagging/spam flashlight a killer who's being toxic (they had it coming)

A killer downing a survivor who just got unhooked (their teammates farmed them)

Downing the same survivor as last time, when they happen to run into the killer again.

Punishing toxic behavior is NOT toxic. (As long as you're not toxic otherwise)

There's probably some things I've missed, but I think this is overall what I find toxic and non-toxic behavior.

I don’t get how tunneling is toxic. Before I came to this forum I did it and still do it. Not out of animosity or grudge or anything. Getting another hook on a survivor will rarely be less beneficial than chasing a different survivor likely at full health. Unless they are good at kiting a killer then it may not be worth the chase when I could be chasing a weaker survivor and getting hooks. Just seems like the most obvious route to take. I guess if you are just endlessly chasing one person while all other generators are finished I can see that but isn’t that the survivor’s goal? Hide or kite the killer till everyone can get out?

When you let a survivor crawl all the way to the exit line just to pick him up and kill him

Sometimes when im bored I go around the map and slam all the pallets down prematurely. Then I hide, and when my 3 teammates are dead I use hatch to escape.

The guy died from EGC while holding a key and not even TOUCHING a door. It was an actual question.

BBQ is actually not really a problem. The huntress had a rough match and only made any real comeback at the very end. This person was just being rude. I feel like the killer couldve picked ANY killer/perks, and they wouldve still said garbage like this.